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Old 05-24-2012, 09:03 PM  
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Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK. @Iowa homers.

“I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:51 PM   #76
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Put Quinn in the same situation as Cassel......and Quinn would have put up better numbers.
You're guessing. Perhaps they've moved the bar on what is considered a QBotF but a 52.1% 5.4 ypa and a 10/9 TD/INT ratio for a QB that hasn't thrown a single pass in the last 3 seasons indicate career backup to me. It was like calling Todd Collins a QBotF.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:53 PM   #77
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You're guessing. Perhaps they've moved the bar on what is considered a QBotF but a 52.1% 5.4 ypa and a 10/9 TD/INT ratio for a QB that hasn't thrown a single pass in the last 3 seasons indicate career backup to me. It was like calling Todd Collins a QBotF.
Really?

Put Quinn as Tom Brady's backup.......spending the entire time learning from Belicheck, Weis and McDaniels......and then put him in as the starter with Moss and Welker......and he'd be worse than Cassel?

If you honestly think that.....you're ****ing stupid.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:54 PM   #78
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Let's reverse those stories.

Put Cassel on that Browns team. I guarantee you that Cassel isn't even in the league anymore.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:24 PM   #79
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Let's reverse those stories.

Put Cassel on that Browns team. I guarantee you that Cassel isn't even in the league anymore.
Excellent point.

Reading Quinn's actual career biography is a constant lesson in bad effing luck, especially once the Mangenius took over in Cleveland. Complete cockup of the whole situation.

There is reason to hope, if not be optimistic.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:29 PM   #80
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That's the way i see it.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:30 PM   #81
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Excellent point.

Reading Quinn's actual career biography is a constant lesson in bad effing luck, especially once the Mangenius took over in Cleveland. Complete cockup of the whole situation.

There is reason to hope, if not be optimistic.
And Cassel's time with KC hasn't been a lesson in bad luck? Crazed head coach who fired his OC two weeks before the start of the season? Demoted the only receiving threat on the team, who was then suspended for illegal substances? Started LJ? New OC who appeared to get Cassel on the right track who is then fired. Horrible 3rd OC, no running game, etc.

Cassel sure as hell hasn't elevated the play of those around him, but not many QB's are going to overcome 5 OC's in 4 years.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:30 PM   #82
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You're guessing. Perhaps they've moved the bar on what is considered a QBotF but a 52.1% 5.4 ypa and a 10/9 TD/INT ratio for a QB that hasn't thrown a single pass in the last 3 seasons indicate career backup to me. It was like calling Todd Collins a QBotF.
You do realize that our starting QB threw a whopping 72 passes between high school and his fourth year as a pro QB don't you? That is his entire 4 year college career and his first three years as a pro.

Drew Bledsoe attempted 70 passes in one game.

I don't care if Quinn hasn't thrown a pass in three years--as long as it isn't Cassel, I don't care who is the QB.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:40 PM   #83
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And Cassel's time with KC hasn't been a lesson in bad luck? Crazed head coach who fired his OC two weeks before the start of the season? Demoted the only receiving threat on the team, who was then suspended for illegal substances? Started LJ? New OC who appeared to get Cassel on the right track who is then fired. Horrible 3rd OC, no running game, etc.

Cassel sure as hell hasn't elevated the play of those around him, but not many QB's are going to overcome 5 OC's in 4 years.
Are you ****ing kidding me?

Cassel shouldn't have even been drafted....and was. He got to sit behind Brady and learn from capable OCs (Weis and McDaniels). He got thrown into the starting lineup....and got to work with Moss and Welker.....and he still threw up marginal ****ing numbers. Then he got a starting position and a fat contract......AND he isn't going to get pulled no matter how shitty he is. Sounds to me like Cassel has had nothing but good luck
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:42 PM   #84
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And Cassel's time with KC hasn't been a lesson in bad luck? .
Cassel not being able to read a defense and poor accuracy has nothing to do with Bad Luck...

it's poor skills.
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Cassel not being able to read a defense and poor accuracy has nothing to do with Bad Luck...

it's poor skills.
Nothing is more sad than arguing about Cassel vs Stanzi vs Quinn....

Dear god, its like chosing between dying in a flaming bucket of aids, being anal raped by a burning aids bush or dying in a flaming bucking of aids WHILE being raped by a burning aids bush...

This is ****ing pitful and painful to watch and read...
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And Cassel's time with KC hasn't been a lesson in bad luck? Crazed head coach who fired his OC two weeks before the start of the season? Demoted the only receiving threat on the team, who was then suspended for illegal substances? Started LJ? New OC who appeared to get Cassel on the right track who is then fired. Horrible 3rd OC, no running game, etc.

Cassel sure as hell hasn't elevated the play of those around him, but not many QB's are going to overcome 5 OC's in 4 years.
I would say it's been a mix of both good and bad.

With weis, bowe, charles, moeaki - good play.

Without - atrocious play.

Cassel's time with NEW ENGLAND, however, was amazing luck. He still can't hit receivers in stride. He has zero nuance to his passing. Placement of the ball is so crucial, getting your receivers turning the right direction to avoid an oncoming hit, to be already turned upfield. Sometimes you have to put the ball on a receivers back shoulder to get him turned to the sideline, making a defender miss on the inside. Passing is a much more complicated game than just "I threw it, he caught it, what else you want?"

Cassel isn't horrible, and everyone saying so is exaggerating. But he has a ceiling, and it's made of pure steel.
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And Cassel's time with KC hasn't been a lesson in bad luck? Crazed head coach who fired his OC two weeks before the start of the season? Demoted the only receiving threat on the team, who was then suspended for illegal substances? Started LJ? New OC who appeared to get Cassel on the right track who is then fired. Horrible 3rd OC, no running game, etc.

Cassel sure as hell hasn't elevated the play of those around him, but not many QB's are going to overcome 5 OC's in 4 years.
In fact the ONLY way that you could even begin to compare Cassel and Quinn in the luck category.....was if Cassel was traded for....and then benched. And then once he got the starting job....he'd get injured. Then when he came back....he'd throw an INT and get benched. Rinse and repeat.

Oh and then get traded to a team that has a QB they just drafted in the 1st round who was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.
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In fact the ONLY way that you could even begin to compare Cassel and Quinn in the luck category.....was if Cassel was traded for....and then benched. And then once he got the starting job....he'd get injured. Then when he came back....he'd throw an INT and get benched. Rinse and repeat.

Oh and then get traded to a team that has a QB they just drafted in the 1st round who was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.
Quinn has had such bad luck with all those future hall of famers on the roster that prevented him from getting snaps.
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Nothing is more sad than arguing about Cassel vs Stanzi vs Quinn....

Dear god, its like chosing between dying in a flaming bucket of aids, being anal raped by a burning aids bush or dying in a flaming bucking of aids WHILE being raped by a burning aids bush...

This is ****ing pitful and painful to watch and read...
this is something Mr Pioli should be ashamed of, i mean setting the team up with such terrible prospects for QB..
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Quinn has had such bad luck with all those future hall of famers on the roster that prevented him from getting snaps.
Do you pay attention? He basically had a 5 year old for his head coach. Throw an INT....get pulled. Other QB throws one....Quinn goes back in.
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