The Stimulus, Before/After

[Direckshun]

I have not the slightest idea how to copy and paste this piece into a thread here. So my apologies on that.

Fortunately, it's 20 slides you should be able to breeze through in a couple minutes.

http://www.moslereconomics.com/wp-co...f/stimulus.pdf

I'm sure the next 50 posts will tell me to shove my head up my ass.

It's a good "read" regardless. Thoughts welcome, as if I needed to ask.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Iz Zat Chew

Amazon provides a physical service. Google does not, it lives on advertising just as Facebook does. You should go on, it will only out your ignorance.

Go out and get a job, get off the computer and I bet you'll lose about 200 of those 450 pounds you weigh.

And Tom is back to being Tom. How long until you get this mult banned?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It does, but this is the first time that significant numbers of unemployed have been out for long enough to really make the flaws in the methodology significant.

It's tragic that so many people have been unemployed for so long. But I haven't seen anything to suggest this is radically different.

[SNR]

Tom,

The 50s are back that way. This country can't and won't return to them. Sorry, but that's how the market works.

A young person in the 21st century finds much greater success in creating non-manufacturing companies. Period. I'm not an economist, so I don't know why that happens to be the case, but it is. It likely has to do with cheaper labor elsewhere.

And get off your high horse for ****'s sake. I don't hate old people, and I'm not disrespecting their contributions they made to this country. I just hate the ones like you who bitch all the time about how younger generations are running the country into the ground. If you possessed any self-knowledge at all you would realize that the older generation was saying that about you when YOU were young. History tends to repeat itself, so just shut the **** up, please. Hard back-breaking labor jobs for people in their 20s don't happen anymore, but that doesn't mean young people don't work hard or don't know what self-reliance is.

What worked for you back in the time of the dinosaurs probably isn't the right solution for a large majority of people these days. Quit pretending like you know what's right.

[Direckshun]

Is there some way we can find out who is giving Tom rep?

Some people need to be exposed.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Is there some way we can find out who is giving Tom rep?

Some people need to be exposed.

Stupid.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by KC native

Why do people insist that unemployment measurement has changed under Obama?

I know. Why isn't it enough to point out that the rate has skyrocketed since Obama sat down in the driver's seat?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Iz Zat Chew

Has it? What I see now that I didn't see before is that after your UE benefits run out you are no longer unemployed. Did they keep the same format for counting the unemployed from administration to administration? If they have not changed the method why is it that the liberals didn't have that as one of their points of contentionduring conservative presidents administrations?

This administration is not concerned with the wellbeing of the American public, only the American President. It's all about Obama.

It's the same formula. It's just that under previous Presidents, most people who wanted to work were able to find jobs before their unemployment benefits ran out. You might say that Obamaconomics broke the measurement system.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It does, but this is the first time that significant numbers of unemployed have been out for long enough to really make the flaws in the methodology significant.

Prepost!

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Prepost!

preQ?

[Iz Zat Chew]

Originally Posted by SNR

Fred, The 50s are back that way. This country can't and won't return to them. Sorry, but that's how the market works.

A young person in the 21st century finds much greater success in creating non-manufacturing companies. Period. I'm not an economist, so I don't know why that happens to be the case, but it is. It likely has to do with cheaper labor elsewhere.

And get off your high horse for ****'s sake. I don't hate old people, and I'm not disrespecting their contributions they made to this country. I just hate the ones like you who bitch all the time about how younger generations are running the country into the ground. If you possessed any self-knowledge at all you would realize that the older generation was saying that about you when YOU were young. History tends to repeat itself, so just shut the **** up, please. Hard back-breaking labor jobs for people in their 20s don't happen anymore, but that doesn't mean young people don't work hard or don't know what self-reliance is.

What worked for you back in the time of the dinosaurs probably isn't the right solution for a large majority of people these days. Quit pretending like you know what's right.

So you feel like I'm an old retired person? I just know for a fact that this country no longer produces the commodities it uses. What will you do if China cuts us off? If the economy tanks as the guys in NYC are predicting who's going to have the money to buy those things that aren't made here any longer? If I knew what was right I'd be in New Zealand rightnow being a millionaire. I know what's wrong and this country is moving in that direction.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by SNR

It's the notion that just because a company doesn't manufacture widgets, they're not as beneficial to the economy as one who does.

It's antique thinking that is embraced by people who are convinced that ideas are a finite commodity. Manufacturing jobs are the safety net for those people. Those jobs are a form of private welfare that creative people pay to able bodied people. Of course it scares people to death that the welfare is coming to an end. The foundation has shifted. Get used to it. Any politician that tells you that he can deliver us back from the future is a liar or a dangerous idiot.

[Iz Zat Chew]

Originally Posted by SNR

It's the notion that just because a company doesn't manufacture widgets, they're not as beneficial to the economy as one who does.

It's not the economy that is the question. It's survivability if we get cut off from those that manufacture the commodities we use. When you go to the grocery store read the lables, the items prepared/manufactured in the U.S. tell you so, those that aren't are distributed by: whomever. Check out how many items are distributed inside the U.S., you might be surprised.

Should the providers of commodities cut us off how wil the masses survive? On internet services?

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Iz Zat Chew

It's not the economy that is the question. It's survivability if we get cut off from those that manufacture the commodities we use. When you go to the grocery store read the lables, the items prepared/manufactured in the U.S. tell you so, those that aren't are distributed by: whomever. Check out how many items are distributed inside the U.S., you might be surprised.

Should the providers of commodities cut us off how wil the masses survive? On internet services?

Who do you think owes you these American-made and American-grown commodities? Private business? The government?

[Iz Zat Chew]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Who do you think owes you these American-made and American-grown commodities? Private business? The government?

It's not that anyone owes us anything. We owe it to ourselves to be a self sustaining country. Without that capability we are going to be up a creek without a paddle.

[fan4ever]

Originally Posted by SNR

If you possessed any self-knowledge at all you would realize that the older generation was saying that about you when YOU were young. History tends to repeat itself, so just shut the **** up, please

A bit off topic, but this part of your post reminds me of a quote attributed to Plato/Socrates

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Of course, since this sounds so contemporary, it is portrayed as folly...because the world is still here...right? Because the fall of the Greek civilization never happened.