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Old 04-28-2012, 01:58 PM  
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****OFFICIAL 2012 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD****

Great sports weekend with the draft and now the NBA Playoffs starting today

First Round Matchups Today:

76ers vs Bulls
Knicks vs Heat
Magic vs Pacers
Mavs vs Thunder

Sunday:

Jazz vs Spurs
Celtics vs Hawks
Clippers vs Grizzlies
Nuggets vs Lakers

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Old 06-22-2012, 01:19 AM   #5206
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Your point was that Kobe didn't win anything without Shaq/Gasol... LeBron didn't win anything without Wade/Bosh.

Your point is retarded.
You might want to try re-reading. The point was that the Lakers with Kobe by himself weren't good at all. In contrast, LeBron's team by himself was a fantastic team and one of the best in the league. There's a huge difference there and it's a pretty obvious one to an objective observer.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:19 AM   #5207
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Your point was that Kobe didn't win anything without Shaq/Gasol... LeBron didn't win anything without Wade/Bosh.

Your point is retarded.

Every Batman has had a Robin. The end.
What about Rick Barry like I said earlier?

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Old 06-22-2012, 01:20 AM   #5208
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Duncan was a hell of a player but Shaq/Hakeem were just better. Thats not a knock on Timmy, when those two were on they were just freaking outstanding.
Nope, Duncan has been consistently better. He's been one of the league's best 5-10 players in virtually every season he's been in the league. His team is always at the top of the standings, and they've won 4 titles.

Shaq was a guy you couldn't give the ball to when the game was on the line at the end of games (big time strike against him). He deferred to Penny, Kobe and then Wade. Duncan never had a #2 equal to any of those guys, save for perhaps Parker this season. Shaq was a mediocre defender. Good shot blocker, but awful in pick and roll. He was physically dominant, no doubt. And that's easier to remember and admire than all of Duncan's qualities. But Timmy was better. Ask any player in the league who they'd rather have as a teammate. I'd bet the farm they'd say Duncan.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:20 AM   #5209
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You might want to try re-reading. The point was that the Lakers with Kobe by himself weren't good at all. In contrast, LeBron's team by himself was a fantastic team and one of the best in the league. There's a huge difference there and it's a pretty obvious one to an objective observer.
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Not really. He was fortunate to have Shaq and later Gasol help win those championships. The Lakers weren't good at all in that between period when he was by himself, there might be a reason for that.
Come again?

Which conference was better? East or West? Oh thats right... West. Which conference did James play in that had absolutely nothing to offer the NBA? East wasn't it? What happened when James met the West? Did he get swept? Here I am... making noise with my hands in honor of James achievement of nothing by himself.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:20 AM   #5210
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The point is when he was playing you couldn't argue that somebody was better like you can now like with James and Kobe. His best tops any other players' best. look even if you found a player more talented MJ's will to win, competitiveness and drive is just f'ing insane and downright unhealthy and nasty. I would never bet against Michael Jordan. Ever.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:20 AM   #5211
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Every Batman has had a Robin. The end.
Yes...and Kobe was a great Robin for most of his career.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:23 AM   #5212
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Come again?
Come again what? Kobe's Lakers were poor when he was by himself...LeBron and his team of scrubs were elite. Stop purposely ignoring that huge difference.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:24 AM   #5213
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Duncan never had a #2 equal to any of those guys, save for perhaps Parker this season.

He had somebody even better for his first two championships.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:24 AM   #5214
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Come again what? Kobe's Lakers were poor when he was by himself...LeBron and his team of scrubs were elite. Stop purposely ignoring that huge difference.
You're funny. Get back to me when James does something by himself. Elite teams dont get swept in the Finals.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:25 AM   #5215
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What started this was a top 10 list. Not to have Kobe there with his 5 rings isn't right. I don't care who his teammates were. He's been a dominant player on both ends for stretches in his career, and won titles with and without Shaq. He belongs in the top 10. Could LeBron surpass him? Absolutely, and I think he can be the better player. But that will come with time and additional accomplishments....I'm not putting him there yet.

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for a franchise that new to the city, a finals appearance is really a big step
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The point is when he was playing you couldn't argue that somebody was better like you can now like with James and Kobe. His best tops any other players' best. look even if you found a player more talented his will to win, competitiveness and drive is just f'ing insane and downright unhealthy and nasty. I would never bet against Michael Jordan. Ever.
No objective observer would argue that LeBron hasn't been better than Kobe for the last 5-6 years. Hasn't been all that close either...Wade has been closer.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:29 AM   #5218
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What started this was a top 10 list. Not to have Kobe there with his 5 rings isn't right. I don't care who his teammates were. He's been a dominant player on both ends for stretches in his career, and won titles with and without Shaq. He belongs in the top 10. Could LeBron surpass him? Absolutely, and I think he can be the better player. But that will come with time and additional accomplishments....I'm not putting him there yet.

Do you put Tiger about Nicklaus?
No, but Kobe isn't a good comparison for Nicklaus. MJ is.

Kobe would be like Watson.
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No objective observer would argue that LeBron hasn't been better than Kobe for the last 5-6 years. Hasn't been all that close either...Wade has been closer.
Now Wade has been better than Kobe... JFC.
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He had somebody even better for his first two championships.
Robinson averaged 16 and 10 during the first one and 9 and 8 during the second. Penny, Kobe and Wade were first team All-NBA guys during their championship runs(or Finals run in Penny's case)with Shaq.
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