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Old 04-28-2012, 12:58 PM  
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****OFFICIAL 2012 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD****

Great sports weekend with the draft and now the NBA Playoffs starting today

First Round Matchups Today:

76ers vs Bulls
Knicks vs Heat
Magic vs Pacers
Mavs vs Thunder

Sunday:

Jazz vs Spurs
Celtics vs Hawks
Clippers vs Grizzlies
Nuggets vs Lakers

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Old 06-22-2012, 08:45 PM   #5326
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You know you are probably right Kobe in the last 5 years has really sucked.
Not sucked, certainly. He's been very good, but has been worse than Wade as every single objective evaluative statistic shows.

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He has only won 2 NBA Championships, NBA MVP, 2 Finals MVP, NBA Scoring Champ (almost won it this year as well)...

yeah you are right he is worse than Wade my bad...lol
All you've done is prove that he had a better team than Wade over that time (and that he scores a lot of points which is almost entirely due to how many shots he takes). Nobody would dispute that, the Lakers added a ton of great players to help him and they had a great run. But just like LeBron has been better than Kobe over the last five years with less team success, as has Wade (although the difference isnt anywhere near as significant).


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Hell Kobe is Top 5 in NBA scoring ALL-TIME but Wade is not even Top 50...but Lebron is.
I'm not talking about all-time, read about how this began. Kobe's clearly had the better career, but Wade has been the better player over the last five years since his decline.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:47 PM   #5327
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But facts are facts.

That's all.
And the facts suggest that Wade has been better than Kobe over the last five years (which is all I ever said). Unless you believe that stats lie, of course.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:53 PM   #5328
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Kobe is better than Wade. I can't even waste my time arguing that.
If we're talking career, it's Kobe. If we're talking the last five years, it's Wade (he was the #2 player in the league for a stretch there behind LeBron...Kobe hasn't been at that level for a while now). If we're talking right now, right at this very moment, it's basically a wash. Kobe has declined significantly (which is pretty easy to see), but Wade had a pretty poor year by his standards this season as well and seems to be on the decline.

The original point was that LeBron is the best player in the league by far and has been for the last half-decade. Durant has now taken the #2 spot from Wade/Paul/Kobe, but he's not near LeBron yet (as this series solidified).
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:54 PM   #5329
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Noone in the NBA, on this board, or anyone in their right mind would choose wade over kobe besides you.
No, just those with a basic understanding of basketball statistics (and those who are capable of admitting that Kobe isn't anywhere near the player he once was).
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:56 PM   #5330
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KC really should become a Heat fan. He seems to like them a lot more than the Lakers. If Artest went there I think he might just explode in eternal orgasm.
How about the Raptors just get a good team for once? I don't think you realize how lucky you are to have that OKC Thunder team.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:59 PM   #5331
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I've hated Dwayne Wade way before Labron joined the Heat. Don't like the recent haters who jumped on the bandwagon.
Shows what an idiot you are.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:09 PM   #5332
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2012 Player Efficiency Rating 
1. LeBron James-MIA 30.7 
2. Chris Paul-LAC 27.0 
3. Dwyane Wade-MIA 26.3 
4. Kevin Durant-OKC 26.2 
5. Kevin Love-MIN 25.4 
6. Dwight Howard-ORL 24.2 
7. Blake Griffin-LAC 23.4 
8. Derrick Rose-CHI 23.0 
9. Russell Westbrook-OKC 22.9 
10. Andrew Bynum-LAL 22.9 
11. Al Jefferson-UTA 22.8 
12. LaMarcus Aldridge-POR 22.7 
13. Tim Duncan-SAS 22.5 
14. Greg Monroe-DET 22.0 
15. Tony Parker-SAS 22.0 
16. Kobe Bryant-LAL 21.9 
17. Paul Millsap-UTA 21.8 
18. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 21.7 
19. DeMarcus Cousins-SAC 21.7 
20. Nikola Pekovic-MIN 21.4
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2012 Win Shares 
1. LeBron James-MIA 14.5
2. Chris Paul-LAC 12.7 
3. Kevin Durant-OKC 12.2 
4. Kevin Love-MIN 10.0 
5. Tyson Chandler-NYK 9.5 
6. James Harden-OKC 9.3 
7. Blake Griffin-LAC 9.2 
8. Joakim Noah-CHI 9.0 
9. Ryan Anderson-ORL 8.9 
10. Pau Gasol-LAL 8.3 
11. Marc Gasol-MEM 8.2 
12. Andrew Bynum-LAL 8.0 
13. Russell Westbrook-OKC 7.9 
14. Paul Millsap-UTA 7.8 
15. Dwight Howard-ORL 7.7 
16. Dwyane Wade-MIA 7.7 
17. Carlos Boozer-CHI 7.6 
18. Marcin Gortat-PHO 7.6 
19. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 7.6 
20. Al Jefferson-UTA 7.5
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2012 Win Shares Per 48 Minutes 
1. LeBron James-MIA .298 
2. Chris Paul-LAC .278 
3. Kevin Durant-OKC .230
4. James Harden-OKC .230 
5. Dwyane Wade-MIA .227 
6. Joakim Noah-CHI .223 
7. Kevin Love-MIN .223 
8. Tyson Chandler-NYK .220 
9. Ryan Anderson-ORL .219 
10. Derrick Rose-CHI .211 
11. Carlos Boozer-CHI .187 
12. Ersan Ilyasova-MIL .185 
13. Blake Griffin-LAC .185 
14. Andrew Bynum-LAL .183 
15. Paul Millsap-UTA .179 
16. Dwight Howard-ORL .179 
17. Kevin Garnett-BOS .178 
18. Tony Parker-SAS .177 
19. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL .175 
20. Louis Williams-PHI .174
Maybe I was being too kind to Kobe in calling it a wash right now...he had a worse year and is in a bigger decline than I thought.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:11 PM   #5333
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Doesn't hurt having LBJ on your team.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:13 PM   #5334
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You're comparing a 30-year old to a 33-year old.

Seems fair.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:18 PM   #5335
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The 10 Most Overpaid NBA Players

2. Kobe Bryant
Overpaid by: $19,693,258
Salary: $25,244,493
Value of Wins: $5,551,235

Team: Los Angeles Lakers
Minutes Played: 2,232
Wins Produced: 2.85

Kobe Bryant is a basketball legend, and as such many people may bristle at his inclusion on this list. However, Berri contends that the player’s sterling reputation is something of a mirage. “The media says Kobe was one of the best players in the game in 2011-12,” he said “But the numbers tell a different story.”

According to Berri, Bryant’s scoring simply comes down to the fact that he takes a lot of shots. “But in contrast to past years, Kobe’s shooting efficiency was below average for a shooting guard, and inefficient shooting doesn’t produce wins,” he said. “However, if you take enough shots you can still score enough points to convince fans – and the media – that you are actually helping a team win.”

But doesn’t Bryant’s star power attract enough fans to help the team’s bottom line? No, according to Berri. “The study of gate revenue reveals that it is wins that drive revenue. Star power is far less important.”
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:22 PM   #5336
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Doesn't hurt having LBJ on your team.
Wade had better years than this before LeBron arrived, so that theory doesn't hold water either.

See the PER and win share totals: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../wadedw01.html


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You're comparing a 30-year old to a 33-year old.

Seems fair.
Yeah, Kobe's age and decline is pretty much the entire reason why he's a worse player than Wade now (and has been over the last five years). That's part of the deal.
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:40 PM   #5337
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How about the Raptors just get a good team for once? I don't think you realize how lucky you are to have that OKC Thunder team.
I know we are lucky. I would take any team because I'm just a sports fan. I'm a Royals and Chiefs fan. I think I have an understanding of waiting for a great team to support.

You are a Raptors fan? I thought you were a Lakers fan?
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:43 PM   #5338
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The first time I've seen any of my pro teams play for a title in 27 years. I think I might get it lol
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:46 PM   #5339
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So that stat says James Harden is number 4. He's better than Kobe too?
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:55 PM   #5340
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If we're talking career, it's Kobe. If we're talking the last five years, it's Wade (he was the #2 player in the league for a stretch there behind LeBron...Kobe hasn't been at that level for a while now). If we're talking right now, right at this very moment, it's basically a wash. Kobe has declined significantly (which is pretty easy to see), but Wade had a pretty poor year by his standards this season as well and seems to be on the decline.

The original point was that LeBron is the best player in the league by far and has been for the last half-decade. Durant has now taken the #2 spot from Wade/Paul/Kobe, but he's not near LeBron yet (as this series solidified).
I've never argued that. I just said Id rather have Durant, and that hasn't changed. Until, LeBron turned on a switch it started to look close. I think KD is one of the best character guys in the history of sports. It will be interesting to see how LeBron responds to winning. It could relieve the pressure and it could cause him to relax too much.
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