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Democratic Presidents Are Better for the Economy

Because I don't think we've been arguing enough recently.

Results are based on a study examining economic performance of every President since Truman

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...e-economy.html

Democratic Presidents Are Better for the Economy
By Richard J. Carroll
Jun 25, 2012 5:30 PM CT

The prevailing political wisdom says that a U.S. president should win re-election if gasoline prices are stable, the stock market is climbing and monthly jobless numbers are declining.

There is some logic to this: Such indicators affect our pocketbooks and our psyches, whether or not the president has much control over them. Yet short-term economic fluctuations are not what make the nation strong or a president great.

A president is a success economically if he can help steer the country onto a longer-term path of broadly shared economic growth, and if his policies lay a foundation for sustainable prosperity for the future. Although it isn’t easy for voters to determine if a president is contributing to long-term economic success, they can do better than base their decisions on gas prices.

After three years in office, President Barack Obama has enough of a record to judge against the economic performances of other recent presidents. The rankings can help you cast a more informed vote in November -- one that doesn’t view Obama in isolation or depend on which candidate’s super-PAC spent the most on advertising.

In “The President as Economist: Scoring Economic Performance From Harry Truman to Barack Obama,” I compare the 12 presidents since World War II using 17 economic indicators, including growth in gross domestic product, rate of unemployment, inflation, population below the poverty line, increase in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, savings and investment rates, exports and trade balances, federal budget growth, and debt and federal taxes as a share of GDP.

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The analysis accepts Republican economic philosophy that says the U.S. would be better off with a lower rate of federal budget growth and a smaller federal budget relative to GDP. So presidents were penalized if the federal budget grew faster than the economy during their terms. Likewise, higher tax revenue as a share of GDP also counts against a president’s record. It is a framework that rewards smaller government.

The book examines each indicator for each administration, and boils down the many aspects of a president’s economic performance to a single score. The scores are derived using basic statistical methods, including averaging each president’s indicators, then determining standard deviations from the mean. These methods produce a common unit of comparison for indicators that are expressed in different units, such as growth rates and shares of GDP. The results may surprise you (table).

As you can see, Presidents Harry S Truman, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson rank first through third. Presidents George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush make up the bottom three. President Ronald Reagan is No. 8, just one slot above President Obama.

It’s important to note that the analysis uses a one-year lag on the indicators to reflect that a president’s first year in office is usually dominated by the federal budgets and policies adopted under the previous administration. No reasonable economist would blame the 10.5 percent inflation rate and other weak economic conditions of 1981 on Reagan. Clearly, Carter was mainly responsible, presidentially speaking. Similarly, the slow economic growth of 2001 had nothing to do with George W. Bush’s policies, and Obama cannot credibly be blamed for the economic fallout of 2009.

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Truman’s first-place finish owes mainly to the vast improvement in fiscal indicators. He was the only president, for example, who averaged a budget surplus (2.4 percent of the federal budget). He reduced the national debt as a share of GDP by 46.1 percentage points (from 117.5 percent in 1945 to 71.4 percent in 1953), and tax revenue as a share of GDP at 16.6 percent was second lowest (only Obama’s 15.3 percent is lower). Truman’s indicators in the general economy include the second- lowest average unemployment rate, 4.0 percent; the second- highest annual productivity growth rate, 3.2 percent; and the best average trade balance, a surplus of 1.6 percent of GDP.

In the middle of the rankings, we find Presidents Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon at six and seven. It might surprise some that Nixon is right behind Clinton because the 1970s produced such checkered economic results and Clinton is highly regarded for his management of the economy.

Nixon, however, had the highest average savings rate; the second-lowest percentage of the population below the poverty line; and the second-highest increase in exports. Nixon also had some big negatives, including the second-highest average inflation rate of 6.6 percent and the highest increase in unemployment of 4.9 percentage points.

Clinton’s term produced the second-largest reduction of population below the poverty line. He came in fourth for GDP growth of 3.6 percent; and he scored third for annual stock- market growth. Clinton’s negatives include the worst deterioration in the balance of trade at 2.6 percentage points of GDP -- a surprise considering that he won congressional approval for the North American Free Trade Agreement.

In the end, Clinton comes out ahead of Nixon, but not by much. Had Nixon not resigned and instead finished his second term, his record would have benefited from the 1976-1977 recovery years, putting him ahead of Clinton.

At the bottom of the standings, the George W. Bush administration had many strong negatives and few positives. Bush 43 had the lowest GDP growth rate at 1.4 percent; the worst average trade balance; the highest increase in population below the poverty line; and the biggest increase in the national debt.

Counting as positives on Bush 43’s record were his low average inflation rate of 1.8 percent (third place), second-best export level at 10.8 percent of GDP, and the highest drop in tax revenue as a share of GDP, 4.4 percentage points (from 19.5 to 15.1 percent).

Party Comparisons

The rankings can also be used for performance comparisons of the two political parties. Conveniently, there are six Republicans and six Democrats, so if we take the average for Democratic and Republican presidents we can make a head-to-head party comparison. The Democratic presidents scored substantially higher than the Republican presidents, with a score of 26.95. Republican presidents scored -26.95.

Other statistical tests, including the so-called min-max method, which moderates the influence of extreme indicator values, produce similar results. These are consistent considering that the top three performers are Democrats and two out of the lowest three are Republicans. Five out of six Democrats reduced the national debt as a percentage of GDP, while four out of six Republicans raised it. The story is similar on budget deficits, with five of the top six performances recorded by Democrats and four of the bottom five recorded by Republicans.

With respect to GDP growth, three of the top four performers were Democrats and four of the bottom five were Republicans. In reducing the poverty rate, the top three were Democrats and two of the bottom three were Republicans. The Democrats also had a better record on employment.

Republicans had better records on reducing inflation, achieving four of the top five performances, while Democrats had four of the bottom five showings. Republicans also did well in lowering tax revenue as a percentage of GDP, claiming the top five spots.

So what does this tell us about Obama? When all of the indicators are combined, he ranks ninth out of 12, one position below Reagan but above Bush 41, Carter and Bush 43. Obama is also well below the midpoint that falls between Clinton and Nixon. For Republicans who view Reagan as an economic miracle- maker and Obama as, well, something less than that, it might come as a shock that Obama falls next in line in economic performance.

Though Obama’s performance doesn’t sound very impressive when compared with all the presidents, it is respectable when compared with his immediate predecessor, Bush 43. Lined up against his contemporaries after 1977, Obama ranks third out of six.

Voters can decide whether to re-elect Obama according to gas prices, the monthly jobs reports and fluctuations in the stock market. Or they could take the long view and look closely at where the U.S. economy stood when he took office and where it is today, as Part 2 of this series will explore.

(Richard J. Carroll is an economist at the World Bank. This article, the first of three, is based on his new book, “The President as Economist: Scoring Economic Performance From Harry Truman to Barack Obama,” published in June by Praeger. The opinions expressed are his own.)
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:17 PM   #61
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So, if your best buddy Obama did what he said he'd do there wouldn't be any talk of reducing spending. He was going to get us out of Iraq in 16 months, he didn't. He was going to get us out of Afghanistan, he hasn't and has committed the U.S. to being there another 10 years? How about Camp Xray at GTMO? It's still there and going strong, but in the best interest of the country he is keeping it open so he doesn't have to pay for defense lawyers for the terrorists if they are tried in teh U.S. PLUS he would have to give them the same rights as an American citizen.

SO, for your willgle room have obomanation do what he said he would do (other than changing the U.S. from one of the strongest best nations in the world to just another third world nation.
Nice deflection hot dog head. I'll deal with one thing at a time, and this time I'm dealing with your statement that if we cut military spending we'll be over run by Uganda. Sounds a bit like you talked out your ass and someone hit you with facts and then you went on the attack. Have a good day, use google search before you talk , and please relax.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:18 PM   #62
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Is that the 10 year war that obomanation said he would end in 16 months after taking office? SO, Bush is only on the tab for part of the 10 years.
We are out of Iraq. Obama, didn't even fly a jet to an airline carrier with a banner saying mission accomplished to do it.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:25 PM   #63
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Is that the 10 year war that obomanation said he would end in 16 months after taking office?
He never said that and in fact we have already been over this very point. I'm not going to give you a link, again, since you apparently ignored it the first time and you dismiss actual facts as left-wing bias.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:30 PM   #64
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Nice deflection hot dog head. I'll deal with one thing at a time, and this time I'm dealing with your statement that if we cut military spending we'll be over run by Uganda. Sounds a bit like you talked out your ass and someone hit you with facts and then you went on the attack. Have a good day, use google search before you talk , and please relax.
Are you really that dense? Yes, I'd say you are. We are currently at a low number, manpower wise, in the military. Obama said he wanted to fight smaller but fight smart, the smart he's talking about isn't decreasing the numbers but using the money spent on better weapons systems. Leaner, maybe but not at the cost of security. As for the Uganda comment, are you so slow that you can't see that it means any third world nation that wants to start some shit would be more of a threat than we might be able to handle if all of you lamebrains got your wish to cut the numbers.

Next time I'll use the sarcasm font but it won't matter as you still wouldn't get it.
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We are out of Iraq. Obama, didn't even fly a jet to an airline carrier with a banner saying mission accomplished to do it.
Again you ****ed up, obama promised something that he did not deliver, that was the point. No, obama didn't fly a banner, but then neither did Bush, the banner was put up by someone else and the mission they were talking about was accomplished, but I don't really want to rain on your parade.

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He never said that and in fact we have already been over this very point. I'm not going to give you a link, again, since you apparently ignored it the first time and you dismiss actual facts as left-wing bias.
Sure you did, it was from National Lampoon if I remember correctly. Seems to be where you get all of your information.

But in reality your post just says "I got nothing".
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Again you ****ed up, obama promised something that he did not deliver, that was the point. No, obama didn't fly a banner, but then neither did Bush, the banner was put up by someone else and the mission they were talking about was accomplished, but I don't really want to rain on your parade.

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you're all entertaining and such, but you keep trying really hard to move from the topic of this discussion. Which was your assertation that if we cut military spending we'd get over run by uganda. Once you admit you are wrong there, we can move past that and I can educate you in these other things.
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So, if your best buddy Obama did what he said he'd do there wouldn't be any talk of reducing spending. He was going to get us out of Iraq in 16 months, he didn't. He was going to get us out of Afghanistan, he hasn't and has committed the U.S. to being there another 10 years? How about Camp Xray at GTMO? It's still there and going strong, but in the best interest of the country he is keeping it open so he doesn't have to pay for defense lawyers for the terrorists if they are tried in teh U.S. PLUS he would have to give them the same rights as an American citizen.

SO, for your willgle room have obomanation do what he said he would do (other than changing the U.S. from one of the strongest best nations in the world to just another third world nation.
FYI, Camp X-Ray closed long before Obama ran for President.
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Right....

You do realize that according to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) Yearbook 2011, the US spent 43% of the worlds total military expenditures.


I think there is some wiggle room here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard...b_1118851.html
Without any sense of the threats we face and the missions our armed services are asked to execute, that statistic is meaningless and certainly doesn't support your wiggle room conclusion.

BTW, do you remember when people on your side of most political issues were complaining about how we were sending soldiers into battle in Iraq without "adequate equipment" (e.g. Unarmored HumVees)? And that was in a war we breezed through without much trouble at all. Imagine how much more American blood would be spilled in a war where we don't have the level of superiority that we currently enjoy just because people like you want to use our defense budget as a rainy day piggy bank.
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Hey bro,

you're all entertaining and such, but you keep trying really hard to move from the topic of this discussion. Which was your assertation that if we cut military spending we'd get over run by uganda. Once you admit you are wrong there, we can move past that and I can educate you in these other things.
Not your bro, whouldn't be on a bet.

As for the comment, you missed the point. I'm not surprised that you did but you totally missed it. I'm not wrong, cutting the military is not the answer, that's the whole base of the point.
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FYI, Camp X-Ray closed long before Obama ran for President.
OK, what's the current name for the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba? That's the place and it's still there and still housing many that are classified as terrorists.
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OK, what's the current name for the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba? That's the place and it's still there and still housing many that are classified as terrorists.
Just say "Gitmo" and you'll be safe. No need to be more specific. I'm not sure what the detention facilities are called now, but camp X-ray was a temporary facility that was phased out within a year or two as more permanent facilities came online.
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Just say "Gitmo" and you'll be safe. No need to be more specific. I'm not sure what the detention facilities are called now, but camp X-ray was a temporary facility that was phased out within a year or two as more permanent facilities came online.
Camp Delta

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Without any sense of the threats we face and the missions our armed services are asked to execute, that statistic is meaningless and certainly doesn't support your wiggle room conclusion.

BTW, do you remember when people on your side of most political issues were complaining about how we were sending soldiers into battle in Iraq without "adequate equipment" (e.g. Unarmored HumVees)? And that was in a war we breezed through without much trouble at all. Imagine how much more American blood would be spilled in a war where we don't have the level of superiority that we currently enjoy just because people like you want to use our defense budget as a rainy day piggy bank.
My rant about "adequate equipment": How in the blue hell could our military not adequately equip our soldiers when we spend 43% of what the world spends on military expenditures and China & Russia collectively only spend 10%? There is no justification any military brass could give me that would make it ok for even one of our combat soldiers marching into Iraq without body armor, batteries for night vision, adequate armor in humvees to protect against ieds, etc. I saw a video a while back where a cameraman was following some troops while they went to buy batteries for their govt issued night vision with their own money because they weren't provided any. As far as I'm concerned, heads should have rolled when our boys were sent into firefights without the necessary equipment. Someone didn't do their job.
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A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
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