Gun Control

[notorious]

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?

[Aries Walker]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Do you have to wait to buy a new car or a Ice pick?-+

Guns have nothing to do with cars or ice picks. They have different characteristics, uses, and positions in our society. It's false equivalency at its purest.

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Guns have nothing to do with cars or ice picks. They have different characteristics, uses, and positions in our society. It's false equivalency at its purest.

They will kill you just as fast

[notorious]

....There wasn't one person in the theater that said,"**** it, I am taking this piece of trash down when he reloads"?......


That's what makes this so bad. The guy knew that there would mostly kids, and only a few adults. The few adults were in a very relaxed state with their brains turned off for the movie.

He preyed on people when they were most vulnerable.

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by notorious

....There wasn't one person in the theater that said,"**** it, I am taking this piece of trash down when he reloads"?......


That's what makes this so bad. The guy knew that there would mostly kids, and only a few adults. The few adults were in a very relaxed state with their brains turned off for the movie.

He preyed on people when they were most vulnerable.

The cowards always choose a place where guns are not allowed

[notorious]

I also heard that he had a ballistics helmet on along with leg armor.


Only a big hurt bullet would have knocked him on his ass.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by R8ers

They will kill you just as fast

So will a bic pen. The airlines won't let me on the jet with a nail clipper, but I can take as many pens as I want. I can take a guy out in a split second with the pen, but the nail clipper, not so much.

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by notorious

I also heard that he had a ballistics helmet on along with leg armor.


Only a big hurt bullet would have knocked him on his ass.

Colorado have the death penalty?

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by Bwana

So will a bic pen. The airlines won't let me on the jet with a nail clipper, but I can take as many pens as I want. I can take a guy out in a split second with the pen, but the nail clipper, not so much.

I believe it.... Pen to the neck

[notorious]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Colorado have the death penalty?

Yes.


The prosecuter has asked for it several times in previous cases. I wouldn't expect him to fry for at least 7-10 years.

[Dayze]

Speaking of gun control.....my wife took me to the range for my birthday, and my brother and SIL were there to as a surprise. 500 rounds of 9mm and 400.22, later I have a huge smile on my face. Lol

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

What is your definition of an assault rifle?

Did you know that a .45 round is massively larger round than what the AK, AR-15, or Mini 14's fire (.223)?

Or is the point of contention the fact that it is a semi automatic with a magazine? A Glock .45 can hold 13+1 rounds while my "assault rifle" holds 20. Not a huge difference. The .45 is a MUCH larger round than the .223 that my rifle holds as well. The only real spot where my rifle has the advantage is going to be in terms of distance.

If anything... the .45 semi auto is far more "dangerous" to society in general than my rifle is yet rifles like mine are the target of gun control laws such as the now defunct assault rifle ban. Why should I not be allowed to have my rifle?

Okay, so I had a nice long response and it didn't go through since it had been too long. So I will try to get through it again. TDKR starts in an hour and a half Anyways, when I think of assault rifle, I think of distance and rapid fire. However, I am sure I am using that term too loosely which is why I also added high powered weapons. (again probably too broad). I appreciate the information you have provided and I know that I am by no means an expert, but unlike many people, regardless of their views I am willing to learn. I may not agree with everything everyone says but if I learn, then I am better for it. So anything you can to do correct my "knowledge" is fine with me.

So leaving assault rifles specifically, out of it, I think that my main thing is that the sheer fire power people can get just seems unnecessary. Sniper rifles for example can hit targets from 2,000 yards. Outside of a good time at the range that seems silly. Or people getting 60 rounds and shooting them in no time. Or armor piercing ammo for rifles. I guess for me it is not so much about power as it is distance, accuracy, and rapid fire. For example, a shotgun is uber powerful, but more typically at a short distance so having that in your house I can see how that would be very beneficial and making you feel secure. I know a lot of this probably seems like rambling so I apologize for that. I had a well thought out post, but lost it, so now with TDKR starting soon (advance tickets) I have to rush through it. I am more than willing to engage in a legitimate discussion and hear opposing views. Its when people begin making personal attacks or let their preconceptions about the other person that derails conversation because then people are much less likely to actually listen to what others are saying, and they also tend to get even more entrenched into a position that they had no intent of really defending. Like I have said in the thread numerous times, I am more than willing to engage in conversation over this (I don't even like to use the word debate) so hopefully this will fit that more positive and thought provoking description I just hope my quick retype makes enough sense

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by notorious

Your post was simply horrific. but I'll admit I went way too far. I apologize for telling you to **** a pineapple, but for some reason you put me in "CP Asshole" mode with that post.



In a previous post I agreed with what you said about background checks. It's crazy that a private sale can be made to a complete stranger. I think I suggested that any transfer of a firearm should be done through an FFL.

I was being sarcastic. I don't have time to go look back at the conversation but I think I was dramaticizing and exaggerating something else in the thread to make a point. And the apology is much appreciated

I did post right after that I remembered you had agreed with the background check thing. Someone else was saying that law would affect them but I didn't really see how it would unless the person is a criminal. I think that is where my comment came from in that if we don't check if they are criminal, why not just give them to them to save time. Sorry my exaggeration was maybe over the top. I know nobody wants that...I think I know anyways

[Aries Walker]

Originally Posted by R8ers

They will kill you just as fast

Think he could have hit 70 people with an ice pick? You think that guy could have gotten his car into that movie theater? Even if he went after the Farmer's Market instead, he spread more fear, his attack lasted longer, and his targets were much less able to just get out of the way with his guns. They're also easier to use, cheaper, faster, and more likely to kill a lot of people because, unlike cars, they're made to do that.

Guns, cars, and ice picks have one and only one quality in common: they can be used to kill somebody. As Bwana pointed out, so can a ball-point pen. So can a mattress, if you throw it hard enough. It's a terrible argument that's logically empty and useful only when you have no other point to raise. All it does it sink the gun control debate into more of a mire than it already is, so please, come up with another argument.

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yes.


The prosecuter has asked for it several times in previous cases. I wouldn't expect him to fry for at least 7-10 years.

If not longer

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Think he could have hit 70 people with an ice pick? You think that guy could have gotten his car into that movie theater? Even if he went after the Farmer's Market instead, he spread more fear, his attack lasted longer, and his targets were much less able to just get out of the way with his guns. They're also easier to use, cheaper, faster, and more likely to kill a lot of people because, unlike cars, they're made to do that.

Guns, cars, and ice picks have one and only one quality in common: they can be used to kill somebody. As Bwana pointed out, so can a ball-point pen. So can a mattress, if you throw it hard enough. It's a terrible argument that's logically empty and useful only when you have no other point to raise. All it does it sink the gun control debate into more of a mire than it already is, so please, come up with another argument.

Bombs are easy to make too with simple household chemicals too... Should we ban those?