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Old 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:08 AM   #331
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Here's the way I see Gun Control much like Universal Health Care....

I don't want the Federal Gov't, anymore involved in my day to day life then they already are. My reasoning ? I worked for a Federal Agency for 18 yrs., I witnessed more stupidity during that period of my life I walked away 22 months shy of retirement. From the out of touch Central Office to people promoted based not on skills but on race, sex and a willingness to move to a new location. The answer to fixing anything is certainly not the Feds getting involved....want some examples ?

Look at DHS and TSA, almost monthly one of those graduate monkey's from rent a cop school do something stupid in violation of not only DHS policy, an Americans rights and in some instance's down right criminal.

Study some of the screw ups from BATF/DEA...How much money has the Fed's dumped into The War on Drugs ?....BTW we're losing that war.

Iraq/Afghanistan...Billions dumped and wasted by DoS on reconstruction projects.

The Postal System....How's that working out ?

No, there needs to be no more Federal Gov't. involvement. They can't enforce the laws already on the books.

Empower the States to to regulate firearms within the framework of current Federal Laws like the founding fathers envisioned.
Run for office right NOW.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:16 AM   #332
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A better example would be to lay a Sig 522 next to a Remington 700.



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Old 07-23-2012, 07:55 AM   #333
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That sig is a nice piece, what calibers ?
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:15 AM   #334
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That sig is a nice piece, what calibers ?
It's a gigantic, elephant dropping .22.


But it look scaaaaaary, so we should ban it. The sweet and nice looking .308 bolt action below it isn't near as dangerous, though.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:38 AM   #335
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I heard a religious nut on Fox News Radio say that the killings were a result of violent movies and single mom parenting. There are completely insane people everywhere, and it is a little scary.
Someone else said it was violent video games<—my daughter is planning a career as a video game designer...and she loves the shoot 'em ones most! Oh noes!
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:39 AM   #336
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Someone else said it was violent video games

She is a ticking timebomb.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:19 AM   #337
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Someone else said it was violent video games
I mentioned the video games, violent movies, and heavy metal music just because we can't let a tragedy of this magnitude fly by without someone bringing those up for banishment from the land. I just figured I'd throw them out there and end the suspense.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:33 PM   #338
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TBH, I would not see the purpose in licenses for specific levels. What would that class teach me about firing a .308 that I wouldn't already know from firing a lower caliber such as a .270? All I see that accomplishing is creating a bureaucracy where people are having to pay for licenses and fees creating yet another system for the powers that be to manipulate and/or abuse.

That said, I would not be opposed to some sort of safety course being required in order to own a firearm. Anyone with a CC license should be able to bypass that, along with any waiting period, as the CC course includes the safe handling of weapons. If a class of that nature is going to be a requirement though, it should be provided by the government requiring that certification.
I don't know that it would teach you anything else and judging by your comment I suppose it probably wouldn't. What I do think a benefit of some kind of class system is that people have to earn the right to purchase more "dangerous" guns by putting in their time and committment to purchasing something that they desire. Kind of like how we have class types of drivers licenses. Maybe not necessarily another class or training session, but just a bit more time put into the gun ownership world before they can just pick up whatever they want. I don't know, though just throwing out ideas.

Would the guy in Colorado have gone through extra requirements after he purchased his handguns to get the other ones? Probably not. But to go against that idea, I would be willing to bet a safety course would also do the same as a class system. People are much less likely to go through those extra steps to purchase the weapons from an FFL dealer. The problem with a safety course is that some people would probably consider it too demanding of their time or what have you. And obviously for many people a safety course (which also has a side effect of waiting) probably isn't necessary. But what about the Colorado guy? He bought four guns in two weeks. For someone with no licesnse, experience, or training that just seems excessive for a first time buyer. I would bet a lot of really anti-gun people (I am not one to any extreme) would be content with required training and/or safety courses. Those could go a long way to weeding out the people that are not getting into gun ownership for the sport, pleasure, or protection.

Edit - I put dangerous in quotations because any gun can be just as dangerous in the hands of a skilled person. Also, is a safety course something you think (others can answer also) that would be received badly by the community as a whole?
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:39 PM   #339
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It's a gigantic, elephant dropping .22.


But it look scaaaaaary, so we should ban it. The sweet and nice looking .308 bolt action below it isn't near as dangerous, though.
Yes it does, we should BAN IT!!
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:47 PM   #341
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Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol on Sunday broke with fellow conservatives and backed restrictions the sales of "assault weapons" like the AR-15 that was allegedly used to kill at least 12 people and wound 58 others in Aurora, Colorado last week.

"People have a right to handguns and hunting rifles," Kristol told Fox News host Chris Wallace. "I don't think they have a right to semi-automatic, quasi-machine guns that can be used to shoot a hundred bullets at a time."

"And I actually think the Democrats are being foolish as they're being cowardly," he added. "I think there is more support for some moderate forms of gun control if they separated clearly from a desire to take away everyone's handguns or rifles."

"And you could put more pressure on moderate Republicans than people think. It's not as if Republicans from New York and Illinois and California couldn't -- that President Obama couldn't do what President Clinton did and put pressure on them [to pass an assault weapons ban]. President Obama on this one is just unwilling to take a strong stance
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quasi-machine guns that can be used to shoot a hundred bullets at a time."
A semi-auto can't "shoot a hundred bullets at a time".
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