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Old 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:58 AM   #436
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One big difference is that many (if not most) of the gun deaths are on purpose - homicides vs. accidents. Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.

There are lots of other differences, more than enough to make the "other things kill too" argument ridiculous. They're simply not the same thing.
A person Drunk driving killing a family is less tragic than a shooting? Drunk driving is an illegal activity that takes lives. More lives in the US than firearms do. I don't see how you can justify the difference. Both are senseless taking of lives regardless of the original design or intent.

I could argue guns are tools just as cars are. Whats the point of alcohol except to alter your brain activity? Making drunk driving a much more senseless tragedy.
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:53 PM   #437
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One big difference is that many (if not most) of the gun deaths are on purpose - homicides vs. accidents. Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.

There are lots of other differences, more than enough to make the "other things kill too" argument ridiculous. They're simply not the same thing.
So I guess if somebody deliberately hits you with a car, you'll only be partially dead, right?
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:20 PM   #438
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Yep this is one of my beefs with the whole anti gun crowd. While I believe every death is tragic there are things in our lives that destroy way more lives than guns do.

Alcohol destroys and kills more than guns do. Nobody is bitching about banning alcohol.
In 2007, an estimated 12,998 people died in alcohol-impaired traffic crashes. Of those, 2,200 were innocent victims.

The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:25 PM   #439
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One big difference is that many (if not most) of the gun deaths are on purpose - homicides vs. accidents. Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.

There are lots of other differences, more than enough to make the "other things kill too" argument ridiculous. They're simply not the same thing.



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Old 07-26-2012, 01:35 PM   #440
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They can't touch our guns, but they sure will **** with our ammo.


Look out for specific "ammo taxes". They can be a lot more evasive attacking from that angle.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:37 PM   #441
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They can't touch our guns, but they sure will **** with our ammo.


Look out for specific "ammo taxes". They can be a lot more evasive attacking from that angle.
This is how I see it to.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:27 PM   #442
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Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.
IMO another flawed view of the anti gun crowd. What about the thousands of casual shooters that enjoy target shooting and plinking that are not even remotely interested in hunting or killing anything?
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:32 PM   #443
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They can't touch our guns, but they sure will **** with our ammo.


Look out for specific "ammo taxes". They can be a lot more evasive attacking from that angle.
I can see this also. I wonder what this could mean for reloading components.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:47 PM   #444
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:13 PM   #445
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I can see this also. I wonder what this could mean for reloading components.
I just put in an order for 2000 55 grain 5.56 VMAX and 2000 .308 168 grain boat tails.

That might get me through the year.
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:40 PM   #446
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I just put in an order for 2000 55 grain 5.56 VMAX and 2000 .308 168 grain boat tails.

That might get me through the year.
You should be investigated! Nobody needs that many bullets!
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Old 07-26-2012, 05:13 PM   #447
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I just put in an order for 2000 55 grain 5.56 VMAX and 2000 .308 168 grain boat tails.

That might get me through the year.
What do you need that for, citizen?
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Old 07-26-2012, 05:15 PM   #448
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I just put in an order for 2000 55 grain 5.56 VMAX and 2000 .308 168 grain boat tails.

That might get me through the year.
Sweet! Those 55 grain .223's will go pdq though. Last time I went to South Dakota to shoot prairie dogs I went through like 1200 rounds that trip. I kinda started ratholing a few reloading supplies when ammo prices started getting stupid a few years back. Funds haven't allowed much buying lately but I may have to buy a few more things this fall.
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One big difference is that many (if not most) of the gun deaths are on purpose - homicides vs. accidents. Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.

There are lots of other differences, more than enough to make the "other things kill too" argument ridiculous. They're simply not the same thing.
The arguement of making laws to disarm people, when only those who have no criminal intent will follow them is ridiculous also~
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What do you need that for, citizen?
I have a whole lot of target paper to punch.
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