****The official NEW new conference realignment thread.****

[Saul Good]

the second thread has been pronounced dead.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by baitism

WVU: 8-4
TCU: 7-5

I could see that from TCU. I think WVU will be a bit better.

[baitism]

WVU got their shit pushed in by Syracuse last year....

[frazod]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Forget all time series talk. I thought it was quite entertaining that someone whos school isn't even ranked in Phil Steele's preseason top 50 is talking about easy teams on the schedule.

There you go with your boyfriend again. With a name like Phil Steele, I assume he takes top, right?

And again, who gives a shit what he thinks? Well, other than you. His almighty name has been invoked five times in this entire thread - three times by you, and twice when I've mocked you over it (including now).

[ArrowheadHawk]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

All-time series mean next to nothing. I mean, Mizzou holds "all-time series" advantages over most SEC schools (20-8-1 all time against current schools with A&M making up most of MU's losses), but that will mean nothing come this fall. I don't think anyone is ranking MU above Alabama even though MU holds the advantage.

So, head to head means nothing? How else would you like me to evaluate two teams? I'm pretty sure sports are played out on the field, so to ignore on the field results is ridiculous. Especially when they played every year. Its not like the only played each other every so often.

[Bo's Pelini]

Mizzou/Ku football smack. Exciting.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

So, head to head means nothing? How else would you like me to evaluate two teams? I'm pretty sure sports are played out on the field, so to ignore on the field results is ridiculous. Especially when they played every year. Its not like the only played each other every so often.

I'm not sure where you got that. Head to head means something, especially when comparing two teams. However, if we're talking about these teams' current situations, all-time series likely means next to nothing. I doubt many people outside of Missouri or Kansas fans care about the all-time totals at all. The last five years or so would likely provide a better indicator of where the teams currently stand.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I'm not sure where you got that. Head to head means something, especially when comparing two teams. However, if we're talking about these teams' current situations, all-time series likely means next to nothing. I doubt many people outside of Missouri or Kansas fans care about the all-time totals at all. The last five years or so would likely provide a better indicator of where the teams currently stand.

Whatever best supports your argument. I get it. Why 5 years? Why not 10? I love statistics, you can bend them to make anything look the way you want it to.

[PGM]

So, I'm guessing this Steele is the only guy in the country picking that since he keeps beating that drum like his meat on a lonely Friday night.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

So, head to head means nothing? How else would you like me to evaluate two teams? I'm pretty sure sports are played out on the field, so to ignore on the field results is ridiculous. Especially when they played every year. Its not like the only played each other every so often.

Head-to-head means something (in this case, it means this is an intense rivalry in which Kansas has played over its head).

But if you compare other key indicators about the programs, there is a significant gap.

Winning percentage (Missouri is 40 points better all-time)
Bowl appearances (Missouri has more than twice as many)
Bowl wins (Missouri has more than twice as many)
Major bowl appearances (Missouri has twice as many)

That's where the gap lies.

The head to head matchup speaks to the intensity of the rivalry and the focus each program places on the game. Kansas dominated the matchup in the first 20-30 years of its existence (13-4-3 in first 20, 17-9-4 in first 30), but in the modern era - Post WWI, when college football really started to take off - Missouri takes the series at a clip more in line with its all-time winning percentage.

But that's the fun thing about rivalries. They go back and forth. Heck, even during the disaster that followed the reign of Babs "We are an academic institution first" Uehling, Missouri's 20-year dark period, the series was almost dead even.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Whatever best supports your argument. I get it. Why 5 years? Why not 10? I love statistics, you can bend them to make anything look the way you want it to.

You obviously don't understand anything about statistics, which is not surprising.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by frazod

There you go with your boyfriend again. With a name like Phil Steele, I assume he takes top, right?

And again, who gives a shit what he thinks? Well, other than you. His almighty name has been invoked five times in this entire thread - three times by you, and twice when I've mocked you over it (including now).

http://preseason.stassen.com/predict.../2011-5yr.html

[PGM]

As suspected, Athlon has em ranked much better at 31...had to cycle down pretty far to find KU. Spinnerson at it again.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

http://preseason.stassen.com/predict.../2011-5yr.html

Yes, and he's consistently incorrect about Missouri. Picked them to have a losing record last season, as well as in 2009, and was WAY off in 2010, too.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by PGM

Athlon has em at 31...had to cycle down pretty far to find KU.

A lot of experts may not realize they still have a football team.

[qabbaan]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Whatever best supports your argument. I get it. Why 5 years? Why not 10? I love statistics, you can bend them to make anything look the way you want it to.

What do you think when a Raider fan crows about super bowls they won before he was born?

Nobody really cares about what records were in the leather helmet days.

Is the SEC courting Princeton and Yale? They are #1 and #2 in the number of recognized championships. Does anyone consider Minnesota a football power? They have 4 national championships. Hell even Army has two.

Are conferences recruiting dusty 60 year old trophies or are the recruiting the program that is standing today? What does the football game in 1929 have to do with today?

Jack.