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Old 08-21-2012, 02:28 PM  
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Predict When Israel Strikes Iran

My guess is September 5, 2012.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:23 PM   #16
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Of course.

That doesn't mean it serves the United States best interests to serve their interests ahead of the US's.
So, you are insane?

I think it is in the US' interest to prevent Iran from becoming nuclear-armed. Don't you?
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:25 PM   #17
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Again, never.
May I ask why? Logistics? Will?
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:25 PM   #18
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So, you are insane?
There is a tangible difference between supporting Israel's right to exist and supporting all of Israel's interests at the same level as our own, and even supporting them as more important than our own.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:25 PM   #19
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I say after the election and around the first of the year.

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The Israeli daily Maariv reported on Thursday citing anonymous diplomats and intelligence sources that the Obama administration meeting with Israeli leaders earlier this week offered them advanced bunker-busting bombs and long-range refueling planes if he promised to postpone a preventive war on Iran until at least 2013.
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/03/08/o...ttack-on-iran/


But he gave some earlier too. Ignore what Pants-on-Fire Bolton says here about Iran though.
He's a NeoCon.

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Old 08-21-2012, 06:26 PM   #20
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May I ask why? Logistics? Will?
Will, and lack of necessity.

Israel has all the logistics they need and more.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:26 PM   #21
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It makes sense because the majority per polls do not want to see this. So it would hurt Obama. Of course, NeoCons like qabban thinks it helps Obama, because the thinks everyone is like him.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:27 PM   #22
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There is a tangible difference between supporting Israel's right to exist and supporting all of Israel's interests at the same level as our own, and even supporting them as more important than our own.
It isn't my fault that you support an outfit that wouldn't mind seeing Israel destroyed.

Do you think that it is our best interest that Iran is prevented from becoming nuclear-armed?
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:29 PM   #23
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It isn't my fault that you support an outfit that wouldn't mind seeing Israel destroyed.
Welp, that completely missed my point.

Shocker, that.

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Do you think that it is our best interest that Iran is prevented from becoming nuclear-armed?
I do.

I also think that if Iran figured out how to become a nuclear power, they wouldn't trigger WWIII with a nuclear attack.

So, yeah. I think it's bad for Iran to go nuclear. If they do, it's not the end of the world. Not politically, and definitely not literally.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:30 PM   #24
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Will, and lack of necessity.

Israel has all the logistics they need and more.
You think Israel lacks the will to launch an attack to prevent an enemy to become nuclear-armed? If so, why on Earth would you think that?
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:32 PM   #25
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You think Israel lacks the will to launch an attack to prevent an enemy to become nuclear-armed? If so, why on Earth would you think that?
Fair point.

But the lack of necessity is still present, I'd say. Israel doesn't think Iran is going to nuke them. I'm willing to bet nobody behind the scenes does.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:33 PM   #26
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Welp, that completely missed my point.

Shocker, that.
And apparently you mine. Sometimes, America and Israel's needs are the same. For Israel, it is an existential threat. For us, it's more of a general national security issue. We would care about this even if Israel didn't exist right now.

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I do.

I also think that if Iran figured out how to become a nuclear power, they wouldn't trigger WWIII with a nuclear attack.

So, yeah. I think it's bad for Iran to go nuclear. If they do, it's not the end of the world. Not politically, and definitely not literally.
Cool. So, you are fine with Israel taking out Iran's capabilities?
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Fair point.

But the lack of necessity is still present, I'd say. Israel doesn't think Iran is going to nuke them. I'm willing to bet nobody behind the scenes does.
What kind of proof of necessity would you like? Evidence of an Iranian nuclear test?

The very potential of carrying out the threats that Iran has issued warrants a response from Israel, let alone when/if they actually have the means.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:36 PM   #28
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And apparently you mine. Sometimes, America and Israel's needs are the same.
Exactly.

Sometimes.

Not all of the time.

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Cool. So, you are fine with Israel taking out Iran's capabilities?
That's a really tough question for me to answer. I'm not sure I have one just yet.

I could argue both ways on the issue, I think.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:38 PM   #29
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Exactly.

Sometimes.

Not all of the time.
I must have missed who says that our needs are always the same.


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That's a really tough question for me to answer. I'm not sure I have one just yet.

I could argue both ways on the issue, I think.
Fair enough.
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What kind of proof of necessity would you like? Evidence of an Iranian nuclear test?

The very potential of carrying out the threats that Iran has issued warrants a response from Israel, let alone when/if they actually have the means.
I think necessity arrives when Osama bin Laden II runs Iran.

Until then, they are currently preservationist. They are developing nuclear weaponry, or at least trying to, for leverage in the region and in the world. Not for an attack that would obliterate them.
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