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Old 08-21-2012, 02:28 PM  
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Predict When Israel Strikes Iran
My guess is September 5, 2012.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:52 PM   #46
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I doubt it, or you wouldn't have wrote that. I'm specifically referring to the GOP. If you really believe that, I think we are done.
You can mount a defense of the GOP, if you so wish.

I don't envy you for the task.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:52 PM   #47
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:53 PM   #48
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For the record, I agree with you.

But this is shit reasoning, bud.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:53 PM   #49
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The current crazies care about attaining and consolidating power among all other things. They are not Osama Bin Laden II.
That's a supposition on your part, yes?
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:54 PM   #50
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I just know.

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Old 08-21-2012, 06:54 PM   #51
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You can mount a defense of the GOP, if you so wish.

I don't envy you for the task.
I didn't make the accusation. You did. Back it up with facts or retract it.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:56 PM   #52
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I didn't make the accusation. You did. Back it up with facts or retract it.
I can't locate a single legitimate bit of difference between the GOP's positions and the Likud's. Can you?

They both pay lip service to the two-state solution. The GOP enables the settlements that the Likud creates. Both constantly talk about Palestinian terror. Neither talk, ever, about Israeli terror. Both believe the '67 lines are now hogwash. Both ignore the effect the settlements and treatment of Gaza inflame Islamic extremism throughout the Middle East. Etc.
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Pretty much. Guerrilla warfare is what beats superpowers anyway. In fact Saddam had a guerrilla war planned if our forces went beyond Kuwait. Our generals knew that'd be a "tar pit" and something to do with not going further.
I agree with this. Any "third world" country that wants to learn how to fight a superpower should just YouTube the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80's.
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I can't locate a single legitimate bit of difference between the GOP's positions and the Likud's. Can you?

They both pay lip service to the two-state solution. The GOP enables the settlements that the Likud creates. Both constantly talk about Palestinian terror. Neither talk, ever, about Israeli terror. Both believe the '67 lines are now hogwash. Both ignore the effect the settlements and treatment of Gaza inflame Islamic extremism throughout the Middle East. Etc.
That isn't what you stated.
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That isn't what you stated.
Those things are all evidence of the fact that the GOP and the Likud believe there is no meaningful difference between the two countries, and that the GOP will treat the interests of Israel as paramount, even if it is detrimental to our interests. That's what I claimed, you asked for evidence, there's some evidence.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #57
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Those things are all evidence of the fact that the GOP and the Likud believe there is no meaningful difference between the two countries, and that the GOP will treat the interests of Israel as paramount, even if it is detrimental to our interests. That's what I claimed, you asked for evidence, there's some evidence.
You claimed that (as an example) Likud and the GOP always want the same thing. Did you not?
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You claimed that (as an example) Likud and the GOP always want the same thing. Did you not?
I'd say they believe the interests of Israel are either as great or greater than that of the United States. And that as a result, both parties have the same platforms on all significant issues.
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I agree with this. Any "third world" country that wants to learn how to fight a superpower should just YouTube the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80's.
...and not just there our own Revolution included.
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