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Lance Armstrong cleared of doping charges (and now drops the fight)

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The French Lose Again.

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Independent Dutch investigators cleared Lance Armstrong of doping in the 1999 Tour de France on Wednesday, and blamed anti-doping authorities for misconduct in dealing with the American cyclist.

A 132-page report recommended convening a tribunal to discuss possible legal and ethical violations by the World Anti-Doping Agency and to consider "appropriate sanctions to remedy the violations."

The French sports daily L'Equipe reported in August that six of Armstrong's urine samples from 1999, when he won the first of his record seven-straight Tour titles, came back positive for the endurance-boosting hormone EPO when they were retested in 2004.

Armstrong has repeatedly denied using banned substances.

The International Cycling Union appointed Dutch lawyer Emile Vrijman last October to investigate the handling of urine tests from the 1999 Tour by the French national anti-doping laboratory, known by its French acronym LNDD.

Vrijman said Wednesday his report "exonerates Lance Armstrong completely with respect to alleged use of doping in the 1999 Tour de France."

The report also said the UCI had not damaged Armstrong by releasing doping control forms to the French newspaper.

The report said WADA and the LNDD may have "behaved in ways that are completely inconsistent with the rules and regulations of international anti-doping control testing," and may also have been against the law.

Vrijman, who headed the Dutch anti-doping agency for 10 years and later defended athletes accused of doping, worked on the report with Adriaan van der Veen, a scientist with the Dutch Metrology Laboratory.

EPO, or erythropoietin, is a synthetic hormone that boosts the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood.

Testing for EPO only began in 2001.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:50 AM   #91
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Watch the 2003 Tour on Youtube...funny as hell, the grupetto hitting the brakes going around mountain bends. Gimmie a break.
What does this mean? I don't know anything about biking or race strategy.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:52 AM   #92
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What does this mean? I don't know anything about biking or race strategy.
It doesn't really make any sense. The grupetto is the group of riders behind the peloton (the big group).
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:54 AM   #93
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Yeah those grupetto's braking around mountain bends always crack my shit up.
Yeah I always hit the brakes ascending Alpe d' Huez.

How many convicted or implicated dopers do you see on this list?

Ascent timesRank Time Name Year Nationality
01 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
02* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
03 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
04 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
05 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
06 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
07 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
08 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
09* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States


Hint...all the top ten

Armstrong is a fraud.
He cheated real athletes
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:55 AM   #94
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Based on what?
WADA has ruled that USADA had jurisdiction, Armstrong's refusal to contest USADA's findings is basically an admission (like refusing a breathalyzer on a traffic stop) and the world court is not heavily biased to get past the EPO era like the ICF is. Then of course there's the small matter that the Americans are the ones who are recommending that another American, due to overwhelming proof, be stripped of the record 7 titles.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:56 AM   #95
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Yeah I always hit the brakes ascending Alpe d' Huez.

How many convicted or implicated dopers do you see on this list?

Ascent timesRank Time Name Year Nationality
01 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
02* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
03 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
04 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
05 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
06 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
07 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
08 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
09* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States


Hint...all the top ten

Armstrong is a fraud.
He cheated real athletes
Looks like Lance busted half a nut on graystroke's girlfriend. Did Lance break your heart? The day you found out did you rip all his posters off your wall and swear you would never stalk him again?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:57 AM   #96
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WADA has ruled that USADA had jurisdiction, and the world court is not heavily biased to get past the EPO era like the ICF is. Then of course there's the small matter that the Americans are the ones who are recommending that another American, due to overwhelming proof, be stripped of the record 7 titles.
No, I was asking what new evidence you think that USADA has that proves that Armstrong doped. I haven't seen what that is. Have you? If they have a positive, why wasn't it found before?
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he's describing something that is thought to be not physiologically possible for a clean, non-doped human being.
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No, I was asking what new evidence you think that USADA has that proves that Armstrong doped. I haven't seen what that is. Have you? If they have a positive, why wasn't it found before?
Armstrong failed tests during his 2009 and 2010 comeback attempts.

Then there's the long parade of witnesses, including teammates, going back to 1998. Above all of that, is the blatantly obvious fact that Armstrong could not have possibly beaten a field full of cheaters, by only a few minutes, not hours so that you'd think he's some crazy mutant species of human, during those 7 years.
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What does this mean? I don't know anything about biking or race strategy.
None of us do. There probably aren't 10 people on this site that truly know the sport.

That's my point.

It's why people do cheat.

After 5 years it doesn't impact anyone other than YOU the athlete. Only you lose.
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Looks like Lance busted half a nut on graystroke's girlfriend. Did Lance break your heart? The day you found out did you rip all his posters off your wall and swear you would never stalk him again?
Why do you feel a need to defend an obvious cheater who is lying about it?
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Armstrong failed tests during his 2009 and 2010 comeback attempts.
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Then there's the long parade of witnesses, including teammates, going back to 1998.
You mean a list of cyclists who DID get positives, were banned, denied it and then came clean? You consider those to be reliable witnesses?

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Above all of that, is the blatantly obvious fact that Armstrong could not have possibly beaten a field full of cheaters, by only a few minutes, not hours so that you'd think he's some crazy mutant species of human, during those 7 years.
That doesn't make any sense, either. In fact, it seems to negate your argument. If he HAD beaten all these dopers by hours and not minutes, your argument might make sense. He didn't. He also always had a VERY strong team riding for him. Only in the individual TTs is it a non-team sport. Even then, teamates will support the leader.
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Why do you feel a need to defend an obvious cheater who is lying about it?
Why do you feel the need to represent your opinion as fact?
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Looks like Lance busted half a nut on graystroke's girlfriend. Did Lance break your heart? The day you found out did you rip all his posters off your wall and swear you would never stalk him again?
Nah, I wish. Then perhaps my offspring would have been better cyclists.

I just like fair sport.


Cycling is dirty. But Lance really shit in the tub.
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Nah, I wish. Then perhaps my offspring would have been better cyclists.

I just like fair sport.


Cycling is dirty. But Lance really shit in the tub.
Your speculation is duly noted.
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