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Old 12-31-2011, 02:52 PM  
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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 08-29-2012, 06:39 PM   #7351
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Sweet. Go drop 60 million/year on two aces plus guthrie, mr. Moore.
Guthrie sucks, Hochevar sucks, Chen sucks, Duffy probably sucks, Odorizzo probably sucks, Smith sucks. It's not an easy fix. Paulino is decent, but seems to have injury problems. This rotation is in shambles and it will be a while until it's worth a shit no matter who they sign next year which will probably be nobody.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:42 PM   #7352
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Dennis Lenoard just basically called every pitcher today a pussy!!!
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:53 PM   #7353
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Dennis Lenoard just basically called every pitcher today a pussy!!!
That is awesome
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:54 PM   #7354
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Dennis Lenoard just basically called every pitcher today a pussy!!!
What'd he say?
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:55 PM   #7355
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Guthrie sucks, Hochevar sucks, Chen sucks, Duffy probably sucks, Odorizzo probably sucks, Smith sucks. It's not an easy fix. Paulino is decent, but seems to have injury problems. This rotation is in shambles and it will be a while until it's worth a shit no matter who they sign next year which will probably be nobody.
That's a pretty unrealistic opinion.
Guthrie seems to have been fixed by whatever Eiland did to him. Four of his last five starts have been quality.
Smith has been adequate in the fifth spot since returning from the minors and looks like he has room for improvement.
Mendoza has been adequate as a number four guy since the end of May.
Duffy certainly looked serviceable prior to his injury.

Hoch needs to go simply because he has no mental toughness.
Chen has lost a lot of effectiveness and it's really time to move on.
Odorizzi looks like a AAAA pitcher to me, but he certainly could pan out or could be a trade chip.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:57 PM   #7356
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What'd he say?
Said when he was a starter he was a starter and the game was 9 innings long. Said starters were starters and relievers wanted to be starters.

Basically what he was saying was this 6 inning, pitch count stuff is BS and in my day you went out and pitched the game.
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:30 PM   #7357
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That's a pretty unrealistic opinion.
Guthrie seems to have been fixed by whatever Eiland did to him. Four of his last five starts have been quality.
Smith has been adequate in the fifth spot since returning from the minors and looks like he has room for improvement.
Mendoza has been adequate as a number four guy since the end of May.
Duffy certainly looked serviceable prior to his injury.

Hoch needs to go simply because he has no mental toughness.
Chen has lost a lot of effectiveness and it's really time to move on.
Odorizzi looks like a AAAA pitcher to me, but he certainly could pan out or could be a trade chip.
I think the problem is that nothing is really clear cut.

You think Guthrie has turned it around based upon his last five starts, and yet you are ready for Chen (who needs one more decent inning tonight before he'll have posted a quality start in four of his last five starts as well) to move on.

I have no idea which of our starters will post the lowest ERA in September. I wouldn't be surprised if Hoch, Chen, Guthrie, or Mendoza looked good or bad. That, to me, is the problem.
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:33 PM   #7358
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Odorizzi looks like a AAAA pitcher to me, but he certainly could pan out or could be a trade chip.
What leads you to this conclusion? Isn't Odo like, 21 years old?
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I think the problem is that nothing is really clear cut.

You think Guthrie has turned it around based upon his last five starts, and yet you are ready for Chen (who needs one more decent inning tonight before he'll have posted a quality start in four of his last five starts as well) to move on.

I have no idea which of our starters will post the lowest ERA in September. I wouldn't be surprised if Hoch, Chen, Guthrie, or Mendoza looked good or bad. That, to me, is the problem.
The difference is that Guthrie is 28 and Chen is 34. Guthrie is projectable where Chen has no where to go but down.
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What leads you to this conclusion? Isn't Odo like, 21 years old?
Odo gives up a lot of deep fly balls to minor league guys. Major League guys will tear him up. A lot of minor league players also get really solid contact off of him.
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The difference is that Guthrie is 28 and Chen is 34. Guthrie is projectable where Chen has no where to go but down.
Guts is 33.
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Guts is 33.
Well nevermind then. I was thinking he was younger for some reason.
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Okay, new plan:

Sign two great starting pitchers, retain Hoch:
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FA Pitcher 1
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Mendoza
Smith
Hoch

Hope Hoch lights the world on fire and deal him at the half as Paulino/Duffy/Odorizzi are ready to take a spot in the rotation.
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Okay, new plan:

Sign two great starting pitchers, retain Hoch:
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Hope Hoch lights the world on fire and deal him at the half as Paulino/Duffy/Odorizzi are ready to take a spot in the rotation.
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