Religion Why people laugh at Creationists - Page 5

Dave Lane · 09:56 AM

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

[EDIT New video here]

So on with the show:

Here's the Kent Hovind Theory:

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

**mlyonsd** · 09-02-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

You didn't really ask a question that has an answer. If everything was gone what would still be here? How about this one: Can God create a stone that is too heavy for Him to lift?

It's questions like those that make me scratch my head when atheists mock believers by implying they're stupid.

**RNR** · 09-02-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It's questions like those that make me scratch my head when atheists mock believers by implying they're stupid.

The only time I get irritated and slam people (atheist or believer) is when they claim to know the answers as a matter of fact. It is the reason I identify myself as an agnostic or a version of a Deist. I do not know the answers. I am convinced all religions are man made. To claim to know the thoughts of a creator and threaten billions of people who do not believe as you do is beyond silly. To try to claim you know how this planet was created and state as a matter of fact there is no creator is beyond silly also. There is no doubt in my mind evolution has played a role in what we are now. It does not explain how this all started~

tiptap · 09-02-2012, 11:58 AM

It is sometimes easier to put logical questions in Mathematical terms. So lets ask "if everything is gone what would still be". Most everyone is familiar with cartesian graph. The familiar X Y layout of a grid. What comes with this introductions is the understanding that when lines meet at 90 degrees then there is a zero contribution from one line to the other. Think of how much contribution to the x axis is there from a vertical line. None. Essentially "nothing" is involved.

This notion carries over to Quantum Mechanics seen in Tunneling Effect. This is how electrons move in semiconductors. Essentially the appearance of electrons outside a well happens with it appearing as coming from nowhere outside the tunnel. This universe could easily have passed through some "wall" that is normal to our existence and therefore has the appearance of coming out of nothing. And without a dimension that allows us to access both the wall/well and the universe, we in this universe can not access the type of the constitution of the source. We can go with the notion that energy is not created or destroyed to say that existence is "eternal" but at times it looks like emerging from nothing to those embedded in that existence.

Dave Lane · 09-03-2012, 08:50 AM

Bump · 09-03-2012, 01:45 PM

wait, do people really believe there is water above the atmosphere and that's how we get it? rofl

-King- · 09-03-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

The only time I get irritated and slam people (atheist or believer) is when they claim to know the answers as a matter of fact. It is the reason I identify myself as an agnostic or a version of a Deist. I do not know the answers. I am convinced all religions are man made. To claim to know the thoughts of a creator and threaten billions of people who do not believe as you do is beyond silly. To try to claim you know how this planet was created and state as a matter of fact there is no creator is beyond silly also. There is no doubt in my mind evolution has played a role in what we are now. It does not explain how this all started~

Dave Lane · 09-04-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

MUCH BETTER!

One interesting point that is touched upon is that Hovind keeps saying there was higher atmospheric pressure which allowed for larger creatures. This part is likely to be true. Just not in ANY WAY how he perceives it.

Without a thicker atmosphere it is almost impossible to explain the size of dinosaurs and it IS impossible to explain pterosaurs being able to fly. There are a number of people who believe in a thicker atmosphere theory but for some odd reason it is not well accepted. This has nothing to do with Hovind's nonsense, it's just an interesting thing that often gets overlooked in regards to paleobiology.

Actually a thicker atmosphere ie as in more air pressure wouldn't help. Now a greater oxygen content would and it has been speculated that the oxygen content in the time of dinosaurs approached 40%.

listopencil · 09-05-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It's questions like those that make me scratch my head when atheists mock believers by implying they're stupid.

I consider atheists and believers to be two sides of the same coin.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 09-05-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I consider atheists and believers to be two sides of the same coin.

Joking?

**DoucheMcCloud** · 09-05-2012, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

Agnostic
1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

I'm agnostic as to whether or not I'll drop a dook in the next 8 hours.

listopencil · 09-05-2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Joking?

Nope.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 09-05-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Nope.

Then clearly, you are very confused

listopencil · 09-05-2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then clearly, you are very confused

Not at all. Atheists deny the possibility of the existence of a God when there is no proof that one does not exist. Believers have faith in the existence of God when there is no proof that one exists.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 09-05-2012, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Not at all. Atheists deny the possibility of the existence of a God when there is no proof that one does not exist. Believers have faith in the existence of God when there is no proof that one exists.

ThaVirus · 09-05-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Actually a thicker atmosphere ie as in more air pressure wouldn't help. Now a greater oxygen content would and it has been speculated that the oxygen content in the time of dinosaurs approached 40%.

That's what I've always heard. The oxygen level was much higher, allowing organisms to grow larger than what we would generally see today.

08-31-2012, 06:24 PM
Dave Lane Space Cadet Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, Mo, USA Casino cash: $2197504	Why people laugh at Creationists Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like... [EDIT New video here] So on with the show: Here's the Kent Hovind Theory: "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." Last edited by Dave Lane; 01-08-2013 at 09:56 AM..
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09-02-2012, 11:58 AM	#63
tiptap Is this it? Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $18914	It is sometimes easier to put logical questions in Mathematical terms. So lets ask "if everything is gone what would still be". Most everyone is familiar with cartesian graph. The familiar X Y layout of a grid. What comes with this introductions is the understanding that when lines meet at 90 degrees then there is a zero contribution from one line to the other. Think of how much contribution to the x axis is there from a vertical line. None. Essentially "nothing" is involved. This notion carries over to Quantum Mechanics seen in Tunneling Effect. This is how electrons move in semiconductors. Essentially the appearance of electrons outside a well happens with it appearing as coming from nowhere outside the tunnel. This universe could easily have passed through some "wall" that is normal to our existence and therefore has the appearance of coming out of nothing. And without a dimension that allows us to access both the wall/well and the universe, we in this universe can not access the type of the constitution of the source. We can go with the notion that energy is not created or destroyed to say that existence is "eternal" but at times it looks like emerging from nothing to those embedded in that existence. __________________ Even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases. . . He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." -H.L. Mencken Last edited by tiptap; 09-02-2012 at 09:10 PM..
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