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Old 09-06-2012, 12:44 AM  
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Clinton: Wow

Amazing speech. Party wonks & haters can't deny the man's genius. Clinton might be the one man GOPs fear more than Grover Norquist when it comes to elections.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:56 AM   #31
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:22 AM   #32
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Funny how everyone ooo's and ahhh's over a Clinton speech.

The guy is globalist trash.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:30 AM   #33
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I love how the media lets Dems get away with their view of history, while Republicans are liars.

Clinton slammed Republicans for increasing spending caused by two wars (hey lets forget we got attacked) and tax relief that Obama and the Democrats could have done away with in year one of his presidency. Then he slams them for creating a new entitlement program, the Medicare drug benefit.

Meanwhile, Obama pulls us out of Iraq, draws down troops, and adds a whopping $5 TRILLION to the debt in less than 4 years. Oh, and his new entitlement which will be larger than medicare and social security combined has not even been factored into the $16 trillion in debt we currently has.

Clinton is a great speaker, but his argument was based on partisan politics, not policy.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:38 AM   #34
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I love how the media lets Dems get away with their view of history, while Republicans are liars.

Clinton slammed Republicans for increasing spending caused by two wars (hey lets forget we got attacked) and tax relief that Obama and the Democrats could have done away with in year one of his presidency. Then he slams them for creating a new entitlement program, the Medicare drug benefit.

Meanwhile, Obama pulls us out of Iraq, draws down troops, and adds a whopping $5 TRILLION to the debt in less than 4 years. Oh, and his new entitlement which will be larger than medicare and social security combined has not even been factored into the $16 trillion in debt we currently has.

Clinton is a great speaker, but his argument was based on partisan politics, not policy.
Exactly.

No matter how eloquent a speech someone gives, the Democrats still have to sell voters on the same bill of goods they were selling in 2008, which hasn't moved the needle on anything. Their platform is "more of the same".

After the vapid hopey changey stuff of this week, that's what voters will be deciding - who they trust more on the economy: the successful businessman or the smile.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:43 AM   #35
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I love how the media lets Dems get away with their view of history, while Republicans are liars.

Clinton slammed Republicans for increasing spending caused by two wars (hey lets forget we got attacked) and tax relief that Obama and the Democrats could have done away with in year one of his presidency. Then he slams them for creating a new entitlement program, the Medicare drug benefit.

Meanwhile, Obama pulls us out of Iraq, draws down troops, and adds a whopping $5 TRILLION to the debt in less than 4 years. Oh, and his new entitlement which will be larger than medicare and social security combined has not even been factored into the $16 trillion in debt we currently has.

Clinton is a great speaker, but his argument was based on partisan politics, not policy.
Did Saddam cause 9/11 ?

Of course not......the govt did.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:45 AM   #36
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Didnt see his speech...Did Oprah cry?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:47 AM   #37
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Did Saddam cause 9/11 ?
is this a question or do you think he didn't?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:55 AM   #38
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I think Clinton would beat Obama if he could enter the race in 2012 as a challenger.

If the roles were reversed, and Clinton was fighting off a recession and the most conservative GOP in a damn near century, I think Obama would win. These current conditions are just hell for governing.

In a fair fight? I'd still say Clinton's the favorite, but he lost by proxy to Obama in2008.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:02 AM   #39
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Clinton has always been a polished speaker and he presented well last night.

The problem I have is that he wasn't completely honest and failed to recall some pretty serious issues. Maybe he forgot, but I didn't, that during his term, his policies led to a big market crash that GUTTED all of the investments I made my first 5 years out of college. The economy crashed hard at the end of his term.

The dems held him up as a beacon of women's rights, when all I could wonder was if the snarky young gal known of requiring $50/month condom budget in a nearly blue dress was in front of him, if he'd be trying to give her a baby to abort. While Fluke droned on angrily about treatment of women by Romney, isn't it a little ironic to tote Clinton out to applause afterwards?

Clinton can harp on military budgets and spending, but his cuts to the military are partially why it was in somewhat sorry shape when we needed it.

He spent last night licking Obama's tummy during his speech, but 4 years ago, he and his loving bride very publicly had different opinions.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:04 AM   #40
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:22 AM   #41
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is this a question or do you think he didn't?
Hoover claims "Let's not forget we got attacked"

Yeah we were "allegedly" attacked by OBL, not Saddam.....yet we set up shop in Iraq and ended up staying there for 10 yrs (we're actually still there).
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:30 AM   #42
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Here's the real question -- if Bill Clinton had run in 2012 would he have won? I'm hard-pressed to think he wouldn't beat both of these guys.
I agree, he would beat both guys. I have always been interested in the history of American presidents. I've learned a lot about all of them that has fallen through the cracks over the years. I have mixed emotions about the presidential term limits. On the one hand it does push a president along before they would likely run out of gas anyway. However, once a century or so somebody comes along that is needed to push us forward, keep us from falling, heal us when we are wounded and set us free again to thrive. FDR fit this mold and I believe that Bill Clinton is such a rare politician that he fits this too. We will go on, but you have to wonder what might have been.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:33 AM   #43
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Clinton has always been a polished speaker and he presented well last night.

The problem I have is that he wasn't completely honest and failed to recall some pretty serious issues. Maybe he forgot, but I didn't, that during his term, his policies led to a big market crash that GUTTED all of the investments I made my first 5 years out of college. The economy crashed hard at the end of his term.

The dems held him up as a beacon of women's rights, when all I could wonder was if the snarky young gal known of requiring $50/month condom budget in a nearly blue dress was in front of him, if he'd be trying to give her a baby to abort. While Fluke droned on angrily about treatment of women by Romney, isn't it a little ironic to tote Clinton out to applause afterwards?

Clinton can harp on military budgets and spending, but his cuts to the military are partially why it was in somewhat sorry shape when we needed it.

He spent last night licking Obama's tummy during his speech, but 4 years ago, he and his loving bride very publicly had different opinions.
Clinton caused the internet bubble to burst? Or didn't put armor on Humvees?

GTFO.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:39 AM   #44
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The viewpoints at the opposite ends in this thread are quite fascinating...
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:40 AM   #45
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he did, in lawyerese. basically he said Obama inherited a broken economy and not one person alive could have fixed it in 4 years, so give him 4 more years and it will be magic.
im not for either party .. that said .. he got handed the biggest plate of shit ever to try and scoop out .....
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