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Old 09-05-2012, 11:44 PM  
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:26 PM   #136
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You mean the offer of bin Laden which Clinton didn't take?

The offer to do what exactly? What was Clinton supposed to do with him? There was no Guantanamo Bay and pre-9/11 no political appetite to allow such a thing.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:27 PM   #137
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Centrist president.

You don't REALLY believe that, do you?


He's Center/Left. He's certainly not far left. He hasn't really done much of anything all that radical, even when he had control of both houses of Congress.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:29 PM   #138
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Centrist president.

You don't REALLY believe that, do you?
I found that funny as well.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:31 PM   #139
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:33 PM   #140
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He's Center/Left. He's certainly not far left. He hasn't really done much of anything all that radical, even when he had control of both houses of Congress.
I'd call pushing through an unwanted form of socialized medicine via the method they did pretty left of center. During a ****ing massive economic downturn, no less.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:34 PM   #141
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The offer to do what exactly? What was Clinton supposed to do with him? There was no Guantanamo Bay and pre-9/11 no political appetite to allow such a thing.
The offer to take him.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:34 PM   #142
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He's Center/Left. He's certainly not far left. He hasn't really done much of anything all that radical, even when he had control of both houses of Congress.
Both NAFTA and welfare reform alone would move him off far left. He is a lying serial rapist shitbag but far left he is not~
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:35 PM   #143
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Both NAFTA and welfare reform alone would move him off far left. He is a lying serial rapist shitbag but far left he is not~
Wait, Obama is a serial rapist?
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:36 PM   #144
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Both NAFTA and welfare reform alone would move him off far left. He is a lying serial rapist shitbag but far left he is not~
hahaha, they were discussing Obama's bent not Clinton
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:37 PM   #145
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I'd call pushing through an unwanted form of socialized medicine via the method they did pretty left of center. During a ****ing massive economic downturn, no less.
Well it isn't socialized medicine it is giving private insurance companies 40 million new customers. But I would say that is the farthest of center issue that he has done.

You can then balance that out with his foreign policy which has been right of center.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:39 PM   #146
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LOL I was not paying attention
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Well it isn't socialized medicine it is giving private insurance companies 40 million new customers. But I would say that is the farthest of center issue that he has done.
I said a form of socialized medicine, which it is.

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How so?
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:49 PM   #148
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I said a form of socialized medicine, which it is.



How so?
Where do I start? His continuation and expansion of Bush policies in regards to wireless wiretaps etc, sending 70,000+ troops to Afghanistan, the relentless drone wars that have wiped out AQ, the ouster of Mubarak, military involvement in Libya... heck I just read the other day we have Marines in Guatemala trying to stop drugs.

I am sure at some point we will be in a war with Iran and have troops in Syria as well.
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I'd call pushing through an unwanted form of socialized medicine via the method they did pretty left of center. During a ****ing massive economic downturn, no less.

Then Romney is too, except it wasn't during a recession.

Besides, health care was/is massively broken and everyone knows it. Nearly any change is quite likely for the better. Some elements of it have proven so popular so far that the insurers have already promised to keep it even if the law is somehow repealed by Romney (26 year olds on parents' insurance and I think there was one other provision).

And it's frankly the only thing you can call remotely radically left. He has not shut Guantanamo Bay, he has not fled from Afghanistan, he has not stopped the drone strikes in Pakistan, he has gone into Pakistan in a daring raid to get Bin Laden.
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Where do I start? His continuation and expansion of Bush policies in regards to wireless wiretaps etc, sending 70,000+ troops to Afghanistan, the relentless drone wars that have wiped out AQ, the ouster of Mubarak, military involvement in Libya... heck I just read the other day we have Marines in Guatemala trying to stop drugs.

I am sure at some point we will be in a war with Iran and have troops in Syria.
What?
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