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Old 09-05-2012, 11:44 PM  
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Amazing speech. Party wonks & haters can't deny the man's genius. Clinton might be the one man GOPs fear more than Grover Norquist when it comes to elections.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:47 PM   #181
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And you haven't made any case why the Bush legacy is any different than the Obama's when it comes to correcting our financial problems.
Bush took a surplus and exploded a deficit and established a problem, in the Bush tax cuts, that is the key driver of the deficit and key contributor to the debt. Two deficit-financed wars. And Medicare Part D.

Obama, by contrast, deficit-financed an economic recovery, which is sound economic practice. He has attempted to repeal part of the Bush tax cuts, which Republicans still dive in front of to save. And he passed a healthcare reform of his own that is bigger and more efficient than Part D, which paid for itself.

I've lost the capacity to feel hope many, many years ago. But this is definitive change.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:48 PM   #182
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Private sector is gaining 150,000 a month over the past year.

Iraq is over in most meaningful senses. Afghanistan successfully wiped out AQ on his watch, killed Enemy #1, and is set to draw down there, too.

I've lost the capacity to feel hope many, many years ago. But this is definitive change.

As is the federal deficit. Barry and the boys run through our cash like drunken sailors.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:51 PM   #183
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And you haven't made any case why the Bush legacy is any different than the Obama's when it comes to correcting our financial.
You must be joking
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:54 PM   #184
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Bush took a surplus and exploded a deficit and established a problem, in the Bush tax cuts, that is the key driver of the deficit and key contributor to the debt. Two deficit-financed wars. And Medicare Part D.
I agree. I'm on record with that.
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Obama, by contrast, deficit-financed an economic recovery, which is sound economic practice. He has attempted to repeal part of the Bush tax cuts, which Republicans still dive in front of to save. And he passed a healthcare reform of his own that is bigger and more efficient than Part D, which paid for itself.
The Obama deficit financed economy was totally ****ed up from the beginning. It spent borrowed dollars on leftist dreams that made little sense. Hence the weak economy we face now.
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I've lost the capacity to feel hope many, many years ago. But this is definitive change.
I was with you on the losing hope until Ryan was introduced as the rep VP. At least he is talking reality. Other than that I don't see any definitive change.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:56 PM   #185
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The Obama deficit financed economy was totally ****ed up from the beginning. It spent borrowed dollars on leftist dreams that made little sense. Hence the weak economy we face now.
It saved us from a Depression, and saved/created millions of jobs.

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I was with you on the losing hope until Ryan was introduced as the rep VP. At least he is talking reality.
When, exactly?

It wasn't during his RNC speech. Ryan's speech was light on details and wrong on the few he did bring up.

You want to talk about talking reality, look at the OP in this thread.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:06 PM   #186
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It saved us from a Depression, and saved/created millions of jobs.
It didn't save us from a Depression and we could argue all night about how many and what kind of jobs it created and the money wasted. If Obama wouldn't have been such an elitist novice with a stacked congress that money would have been better spent. We're almost 4 years into Obama's recovery and what's our growth rate? 1.5% Wow. Amazing. We've got a lot more unemployed than being reported and we're heading for 3rd world status.
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When, exactly?

It wasn't during his RNC speech. Ryan's speech was light on details and wrong on the few he did bring up.

You want to talk about talking reality, look at the OP in this thread.
When Obama and the dems want to address voters and the entitlement crisis we face come talk to me. Until then all they are about is winning elections. Ryan at least has shown the promise of attempting to bring the conversation to light.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:10 PM   #187
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It didn't save us from a Depression
Either you're being stubborn or you are truly uninformed.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:12 PM   #188
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It didn't save us from a Depression
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and we could argue all night about how many and what kind of jobs it created
Alright. Let's start.

How many jobs are you saying it created?

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We've got a lot more unemployed than being reported and we're heading for 3rd world status.
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When Obama and the dems want to address voters and the entitlement crisis we face come talk to me. Until then all they are about is winning elections.
Obama addressed the entitlement crisis. Through Obamacare.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:19 PM   #189
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Alright. Let's start.

How many jobs are you saying it created?



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Obama addressed the entitlement crisis. Through Obamacare.
You post the links since I was responding to your opinions.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:22 PM   #190
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You post the links since I was responding to your opinions.
You did more than respond, you made an active claim.

1. You are claiming that you know the "true" number of jobs saved/created by the stimulus package. What's the number?

2. You're claiming there's more unemployed than is being reported. What's the real unemployment rate?

You said we could debate these things all night. I'm betting you're talking out of your ass.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:33 PM   #191
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You did more than respond, you made an active claim.

1. You are claiming that you know the "true" number of jobs saved/created by the stimulus package. What's the number?

2. You're claiming there's more unemployed than is being reported. What's the real unemployment rate?

You said we could debate these things all night. I'm betting you're talking out of your ass.
Feel free to post the links to the active claims you provided.

No, let's first go back to where you claim Obama saved us from depression and Obamacare addressed entitlement reform.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:34 PM   #192
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Either you're being stubborn or you are truly uninformed.
When do you think the recession ended?
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:36 PM   #193
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Feel free to post the links to the active claims you provided.

No, let's first go back to where you claim Obama saved us from depression and Obamacare addressed entitlement reform.
I get so sick of you guys making bullshit claims that are not backed up by any sizable collection of experts and asking people to disprove it.

It's exhausting.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:42 PM   #194
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I get so sick of you guys making bullshit claims that are not backed up by any sizable collection of experts and asking people to disprove it.

It's exhausting.
Believe me, the feeling is mutual.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:47 AM   #195
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Ross Perot owned Clinton in the debates.

Clinton's economic record sucked the guy signed NAFTA ffs and his Foreign Policy was a disaster.

Perhaps the reason this country enjoyed economic growth in the 90's is because they were cutting government. Something Obama refuses to do.
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