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Old 09-07-2012, 10:07 AM  
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Exposed Drywall Paper

Can I just put primer on the paper before I mud over it, or do I have to go to Sherwin Williams and get this Gardz stuff? I already have the primer, so one less trip would be great.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:44 PM   #16
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Home Depot also offers paint with primer
It's garbage. Primer and paint are two different products that do two different things, and that stuff doesn't do either of them well.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:29 PM   #17
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Yes, this is my problem. I cut out the paper that is torn, but I can't get it much smoother without taking off more paper. I'm using 220 grit. Do I need finer grit? Wet sand it?
you shouldn't be sanding it, just peeling off the layers.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:33 PM   #18
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It's garbage. Primer and paint are two different products that do two different things, and that stuff doesn't do either of them well.
That's good to know. I recently had a paint contractor recommend it but we went with Killz and Dunn-Edwards paint (which was excruciatingly expensive).
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:42 PM   #19
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That's good to know. I recently had a paint contractor recommend it but we went with Killz and Dunn-Edwards paint (which was excruciatingly expensive).
Yikes, I would be wary of any contractor who uses that stuff. I suppose it's not a bad alternative for do-it-yourselfers or for rental property where the results aren't as important, but as a professional I would never use it again.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:46 PM   #20
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Good choice Dane.

I had to fire a painter who refused to use anything but paint/primer on my brand new drywall.

Looked like shit
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:04 PM   #21
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Yikes, I would be wary of any contractor who uses that stuff. I suppose it's not a bad alternative for do-it-yourselfers or for rental property where the results aren't as important, but as a professional I would never use it again.
Yeah, we didn't use him.

But JFC, is paint as expensive there as it is here? It was $42 dollars a gallon plus tax. I used to get the same brand for $26 dollars a gallon just a few years ago.

They blamed it on freight costs but really?
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:05 PM   #22
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Good choice Dane.

I had to fire a painter who refused to use anything but paint/primer on my brand new drywall.

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Wow, good to know. Yeah, on new drywall, my experience has been that Killz is the best move.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:07 PM   #23
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Yeah, we didn't use him.

But JFC, is paint as expensive there as it is here? It was $42 dollars a gallon plus tax. I used to get the same brand for $26 dollars a gallon just a few years ago.

They blamed it on freight costs but really?
Paint is ****ing expensive
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:08 PM   #24
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Wow, good to know. Yeah, on new drywall, my experience has been that Killz is the best move.
Yep we did every inch.

Then painted all of it.

Not me though. I will never touch a paint brush again. professionals.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:19 PM   #25
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Yeah, we didn't use him.

But JFC, is paint as expensive there as it is here? It was $42 dollars a gallon plus tax. I used to get the same brand for $26 dollars a gallon just a few years ago.

They blamed it on freight costs but really?
Oil based paints jumped way up a few years back but water based have been pretty stable, I pay just under $20/gal for a decent eggshell finish interior paint. Semi glosses and exterior paints are a buck or so more a gallon. I still get it at contractor price though.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:20 PM   #26
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:22 PM   #27
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Oil based paints jumped way up a few years back but water based have been pretty stable, I pay just under $20/gal for a decent eggshell finish interior paint. Semi glosses and exterior paints are a buck or so more a gallon. I still get it at contractor price though.
I paid $42 dollars for a gallon of Dunn-Edward satin and that same price for eggshell, which believe it or not, was the discounted contractor rate.

Home Depot paint is about $28 dollars a gallon but the overwhelming majority of paint contractors out here hate it.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:23 PM   #28
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Wow, good to know. Yeah, on new drywall, my experience has been that Killz is the best move.
Kilz2 works ok, but I normally use flat finish wall paint, it has better build. Throw about a quart or so of water in a gallon and it spreads out real nice. One coat of that and two coats of eggshell/semi gloss over it and you'll get a great finish.
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I paid $42 dollars for a gallon of Dunn-Edward satin and that same price for eggshell, which believe it or not, was the discounted contractor rate.

Home Depot paint is about $28 dollars a gallon but the overwhelming majority of paint contractors out here hate it.
I've had issues with that Behr crap HD sells, I'm not a fan. I think they also have Glidden paints which I would recommend using if going there. I've never heard of Dunn-Edwards, it's probably a higher-end brand. I haven't had enough customers willing to pay for high end paints to know if they're worth the extra money or not.
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Yep we did every inch.

Then painted all of it.

Not me though. I will never touch a paint brush again. professionals.
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Me, either.

Back in 2004, during the first round of remodeling, I paid $200 to have a 21x21 room painted (for the second time, I might add). My wife didn't like the color she chose, so I called the paint contractor and asked him how much it would cost to repaint.

The answer was $200 dollars.

Well, in my infinite wisdom, I said **** that, bought all the supplies and paint and decided to do it myself.

My wife chose a very deep purple color for our then Entertainment Room (pool table, bar, etc.) in eggshell. For the life of me, I couldn't get the paint rollers from not streaking and looking like a newly mowed yard with lines after each and every roll.

After a few days, more money spent on rollers, etc., I gave up. I'd blown $150 dollars trying to do it myself and decided to call the paint contractor.

Me: Hey Kenny, I'm having issues with streaking. How much to paint the room? There are several coats of paint, so coverage won't be an issue. Just the streaks.

Kenny: $200 dollars!

Bottom line, I spent $350 dollars to paint a room that would have cost $200 if I had left it to the professionals.
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