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Old 09-10-2012, 10:43 AM  
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What exactly would good teacher reform look like?

My initial thoughts, with some hopes:

1) Teacher evaluations could depend only slightly on high-achieving, administration-picked student evaluations, but not include full class student evaluations

2) Teacher evaluations would not depend on school-wide across-the-board tests, because of the significant variances in students and classes (consider the teacher who is given "general ed" or "below-average classes" compared to the teacher who is given classes for college-bound students)

3) Teacher evaluations can take into account select five-year reflection essays by students who have graduated and achieved well in college or work

4) Administration is encouraged to get rid of bad performing teachers, but 15-20 years of good evaluations grant teachers tenure

5) Teacher meetings are abandoned for being irrelevant and counter-productive

6) Teachers are required to pay much more into their benefits, but salaries are increased

7) Administrative costs are capped at certain percentages beyond what the average teacher salary of the school district is

8) Administration is subject to public evaluations by teachers

I look forward to hearing your ideas/arguments

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Old 09-10-2012, 03:48 PM   #31
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I love it. She is in school during the hottest part of summer.
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:52 PM   #32
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How about being Pro-America instead of our evil ancestors and how we are nothing more than the rich kid bully of the world
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:00 PM   #33
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I'm sorry to hear your school lost a good educator. Unfortunately, regardless of the industry, you don't get to run down your boss even if you are in the right. Not if you don't have the political backing, in which case he isn't really your boss.

Now flip it around. Say this guy was a great teacher at one time but now he's degenerated into a very poor teacher. His methods haven't kept up with the times and he is unable to use the technology required by today's classroom. The principal needs to let him go for the good of the school but, due to his being tenured, he can't be released. Does tenure work like that?
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I do like tenure for the teaching profession, in part because education is not supposed to be like the business world. Education is often about challenging, despite possible unpopularity of ideas.

Good teachers deserve protection, like Ben Bradlee and Katherine Graham protected Woodward and Bernstein.

And good teachers who have a passion for it don't teach with that passion for 10-15 years and then 'mail it in.' Some teachers go in with a passion and burn out. It happens in 3-4 years. They leave the profession. Other teachers go in with mere adequacy and degenerate into bad teachers. They need to be fired. But good teachers, teachers who are consistently good, for a significant period of time (and I'm thinking 10-15 years is sufficient), deserve tenure and strong salaries because they've proven that they have it in them.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:02 PM   #34
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Good point. Teachers who stress basic literacy are fundamental to education.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:05 PM   #35
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I do like tenure for the teaching profession, in part because education is not supposed to be like the business world. Education is often about challenging, despite possible unpopularity of ideas.

Good teachers deserve protection, like Ben Bradlee and Katherine Graham protected Woodward and Bernstein.

And good teachers who have a passion for it don't teach with that passion for 10-15 years and then 'mail it in.' Some teachers go in with a passion and burn out. It happens in 3-4 years. They leave the profession. Other teachers go in with mere adequacy and degenerate into bad teachers. They need to be fired. But good teachers, teachers who are consistently good, for a significant period of time (and I'm thinking 10-15 years is sufficient), deserve tenure and strong salaries because they've proven that they have it in them.
Understood, I can see your points. My only fear is in not having a safety valve for those few who need to be terminated. Perhaps the good realized by the tenure process would outweigh this.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:16 PM   #36
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I find the idea of evaluations laughable. Whether its the military, government service, or the private sector, nobody knows how to write them or how to evaluate a situation and that includes evaluating the evaluation. You wouldn't believe how many people acknowledge that they are virtually writing their own evaluations. That's the absurdity of it all.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:48 PM   #37
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I find the idea of evaluations laughable. Whether its the military, government service, or the private sector, nobody knows how to write them or how to evaluate a situation and that includes evaluating the evaluation. You wouldn't believe how many people acknowledge that they are virtually writing their own evaluations. That's the absurdity of it all.
Employees should never be evaluated?
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:07 PM   #38
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Uniforms are a good thing. Some public school districts here go year-round, that I would be firmly against.
IMHO part of education, and of growing as a family, is what we do as a family during summer vacation.
Plenty of time for full-time work later in life.
You could have 9 weeks on, 3 weeks off and still have a month off for summer vacations. It would give you a chance to have some family times at different times of the year as well (better rates). It would benefit poorer income kids who typically lose momentum with big breaks. The 10th week could be intense remediation (to catch kids up who needed more time than the 9 weeks session).
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:11 PM   #39
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:11 PM   #40
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Employees should never be evaluated?
One of the biggest problems in educational evaluation is the amount of supervision time you need to truly do a quality job. The business model of 8-12 people is obliterated in education where principals are in charge of evaluating 50-60 people often if not more.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:13 PM   #41
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Insightful as usual.
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Losing the union would be a good start.
The union is doing them no favors in this instance for sure.
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Changing the days worked and finding ways to have meetings are all far better ideas than holding teachers accountable for the progress made by the students in the classroom. We need more unmeasureable goals.
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