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Old 09-11-2012, 01:11 PM  
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Protesters storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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Cairo (CNN) -- Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag, replacing it with a black standard with Islamic emblems, apparently in protest of the production of a film thought to insult the Prophet Mohammed.

The incident prompted a volley of warning shots to be fired as a large crowd gathered outside, said CNN producer Mohammed Fahmy, who was on the scene.

The replacement flag read, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger."

Others expressed more general grievances about U.S. policy, chanting anti-American slogans and holding up bits of a shredded American flag to television camera crews in front of the embassy.

An embassy operator told CNN that the facility had been cleared of diplomatic personnel earlier Tuesday, ahead of the apparent threat, while Egyptian riot police were called to help secure the area.

The U.S. Embassy said in a statement Tuesday that it "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."

"Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy," the statement said. "We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."

The incident occurred on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, as crowds gathered in somber remembrance of the nearly 3,000 people killed that day.

It is not clear which film upset the protesters in Cairo.

In 2008, an anti-Muslim and anti-immigration parliamentarian from The Netherlands sparked international outcry when he produced a film that portrayed Islam as a violent religion.

Geert Wilders' film "Fitna," which he released online, featured images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:25 PM   #316
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The US govt created Al Qaeda folks.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:07 PM   #317
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I don't think you understand the hypothetical that I'm describing. The Russians cared about holding Afghanistan and turning it into a client state. This is a hypothetical that has nothing to do with what we could do in real life where we don't wage total war and where we aren't looking to leave half of the world in smoldering ruins. In that hypothetical, counter-insurgency isn't even a consideration.

I reread the post you responded to and see what you're saying. Got it.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:08 PM   #318
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The ambassador of Egypt is Anne Patterson which the Senate voted unanimously for. She was Ambassador to Pakistan prior to getting the Egyptian gig. She has been described as one of Bush's favorite ambassadors.

She also declined to help protect Benazir Bhutto.
Don't care, she should be fired immediately. And if someone higher up ordered her to have those Marines be unarmed, then they should be in the unemployment line as well.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:21 PM   #319
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So do i read this right? The Feds might go after the guy who made the movie??

So its ok to make fun of every other religion except Islam?




http://news.yahoo.com/feds-id-califo...164554115.html
Wow if true.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:57 PM   #320
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I reread the post you responded to and see what you're saying. Got it.
Otherwise, I agree with you, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, General Petraeus and countless others on both sides of the political aisle, that force alone isn't enough to win a real life war like those we've fought in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:57 PM   #321
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The US govt created Al Qaeda folks.
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:45 PM   #322
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The US govt created Al Qaeda folks.
WTF?

Maybe you should stick to the moon landing was faked conspiracy.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:12 PM   #323
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Now Obama says Egypt might not even be one of our allies. I am glad he said it, but that was the problem most republicans had with not helping the guy who was our ally.

They are about to ask for more money too. Beside the fact they are one of the biggest receivers of aid money.

We should have in place some rules, if your people burn our flag or chant death and hate, no money for you!
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:18 PM   #324
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Now Obama says Egypt might not even be one of our allies. I am glad he said it, but that was the problem most republicans had with not helping the guy who was our ally.

They are about to ask for more money too. Beside the fact they are one of the biggest receivers of aid money.

We should have in place some rules, if your people burn our flag or chant death and hate, no money for you!
The state department is walking back Obama's confusion.

Evidently he shot before aiming.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:20 PM   #325
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Evidently he shot before aiming.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:00 PM   #326
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U.S. Embassy calls out Muslim Brotherhood for conflicting tweets



The U.S. called out the Muslim Brotherhood for apparently tweeting a different set of messages—a kind one in English, and one in Arabic with a different tone—as demonstrators and security forces were battling outside the embassy in Cairo.

The Muslim Brotherhood's English-language Twitter account (@Ikhwanweb) retweeted a message from deputy head Khairat el-Shater saying he was "relieved none of @USEmbassyCairo staff was harmed" and hoped U.S.-Egypt relations "will sustain [the] turbulence of Tuesday's events."

However, according to ahramonline.com, the Brotherhood's Arabic-language Twitter account and its website were praising the protests staged against a U.S.-made film that some Muslims deem insulting to the Prophet Muhammad. The Brotherhood's messages also called for a million-man march on Friday.

That prompted an interesting response from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo: "Thanks. By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too."

Later the Brotherhood responded, "we understand you're under a lot of stress, but it will be more helpful if you point out exactly the Arabic feed of concern."

The exchange in cyberspace underscores the relationship between Egypt and the U.S.

President Barack Obama said in an interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo, "I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy."

Egypt is a "new government that is trying to find its way," Obama said. The president warned, however, that if the Egyptian government takes actions showing they're not taking responsibility, then it would "be a real big problem."

Egypt's Islamist President Mohammed Morsi said Thursday he backed peaceful protests but not attacks on embassies after Egyptians angry at the film climbed into the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and tore down the American flag.

The New York Times noted that Egypt, not Libya where U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed, may be a bigger political issue for the U.S.

Martin S. Indyk, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel, told the Times, "On the one hand, you didn't have Americans getting killed, but this was the fourth time an embassy was assaulted in Cairo with the Egyptian police doing precious little."

"And where was President Morsi's condemnation of this?" Indyk asked.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...190521793.html
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:04 PM   #327
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:04 PM   #328
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Now Obama says Egypt might not even be one of our allies. I am glad he said it, but that was the problem most republicans had with not helping the guy who was our ally.

They are about to ask for more money too. Beside the fact they are one of the biggest receivers of aid money.

We should have in place some rules, if your people burn our flag or chant death and hate, no money for you!
My opinion of Egypt is about on par with my opinion of Saudi Arabia. Remember, this is a country that thinks it's OK to gang-rape female journalists.

Egypt is not a true ally. In my opinion, they've never really been an ally of ours.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:03 PM   #329
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Tomorrow will be interesting. Muslim Brothrhood and its buds look to light the ME up with anti American violence
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:40 PM   #330
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Tomorrow will be interesting. Muslim Brothrhood and its buds look to light the ME up with anti American violence
Million man muslim brotherhood march where they will be calling for our destruction...great place to drop some serious bombs and do some lighting up of our own. It would send a message to all we are done playing around with this shit.
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