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Old 09-15-2012, 08:10 AM  
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What Citizens United Has Brought

Who could have seen this trend coming.

Color me shocked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us...tors.html?_r=1

Obama Grows More Reliant on Big-Money Contributors
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
Published: September 12, 2012

Kirk Wagar, a Florida lawyer who has raised more than $1 million for President Obama’s re-election bid, had his choice of rooms for the Democratic convention at Charlotte’s Ritz-Carlton or Westin hotels and nightly access to hospitality suites off the convention floor.

Jay Snyder, a New York financier who has raised at least $560,000 for Mr. Obama, was entitled to get his picture taken on the podium at the Time Warner Cable Arena.

And Azita Raji, a retired investment banker who has raised over $3 million for Mr. Obama — more than almost anyone else during the last two years — could get pretty much anything that she wanted last week in Charlotte: briefings with senior Obama officials, invitations to post-speech parties, along with “priority booking” at the city’s finest hotels.

In the race for cash, Mr. Obama often praises his millions of grass-roots donors, those die-hards whose $3 or $10 or $75 contributions are as much a symbol of the president’s political identity as they are a source of ready cash. But his campaign’s big-dollar fund-raising has become more dependent than it was four years ago on a smaller number of large-dollar donors and fund-raisers.

All told, Mr. Obama’s top “bundlers” — people who gather checks from friends and business associates — raised or gave at least $200 million for Mr. Obama’s re-election bid and the Democratic National Committee through the end of May, close to half of the total up to that point, according to internal campaign documents obtained by The New York Times.

The documents provide a detailed look into the intricate world of presidential fund-raising, which Mr. Obama and his team have mastered, and donor-stroking, which some supporters complain they have not. The campaign closely monitors its top bundlers, rating them by how much each individual or couple has raised and donated each year going back to 2007.

Officials used that amount, in turn, to offer donor packages of access and entertainment for the convention last week, themed to the location in North Carolina: “OBX” (bumper-sticker shorthand for the Outer Banks) for those raising at least $1 million, down to “Carolina on My Mind” for those who have donated merely $75,800 to Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee, the maximum allowed under federal law.

“It confirms everything we’ve always believed about the role of big money in politics,” said Ellen Miller, executive director of the Sunlight Foundation, a watchdog group that tracks political fund-raising. “The more you give, the more you gather, the more you get.”

Each individual or couple is also assigned a lifetime Obama total. Topping the list is Jeffrey Katzenberg, the Hollywood producer, who, along with his fund-raising partner, Andy Spahn, has brought in at least $6.6 million combined for the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, according to the documents.

The top fund-raiser for 2011 and 2012 is Andrew Tobias, a Miami-based author who is treasurer of the Democratic National Committee and a major bundler for Mr. Obama among gay donors. Terry McAuliffe, a former party chairman and Bill Clinton loyalist, shot into Mr. Obama’s top bundler ranks this year after he and Mr. Clinton agreed to hold a Virginia fund-raiser for Mr. Obama. He has raised about $2.2 million for Mr. Obama, according to the documents, more than all but a few supporters.

Because not all of Mr. Obama’s bundlers are represented through the end of May, the documents may understate the total that top supporters have raised for Mr. Obama. But even so, they reveal how dependent even Mr. Obama — whose grass-roots fund-raising machine is unrivaled in political history — is on a relative handful of wealthy individuals raising millions of dollars on his behalf, often while having significant business or legal interests before the Obama administration.

Among the top 10 fund-raisers on the list for 2012, for example, are Steve Spinner, a former Department of Energy official who pushed the White House to approve a $535 million loan guarantee for Solyndra, the failed solar power company.

DreamWorks Animation, the studio Mr. Katzenberg leads, is among several in Hollywood that earlier this year were notified of an investigation into whether entertainment companies had made illegal payments to officials in China in connection with their dealings there.

Mitt Romney has fielded an equally formidable high-dollar fund-raising machine this year and could raise as much or more than Mr. Obama during the election cycle. Like the Democrats, Republicans offered big donors an array of perks at their convention, held in Tampa, Fla., last month, including choice hotel access, boat trips and access to Mr. Romney himself.

Mr. Obama already makes public the names of his bundlers, along with ranges for how much they have raised, a practice not required by law. Mr. Romney has declined to release such information, though monthly disclosures filed by his campaign suggest that he is even more dependent than Mr. Obama on big bundlers and donors who have given the legal maximum.

“Our major volunteer fund-raisers, as well as the ranges of contributions they raised, were previously made public because unlike Governor Romney, we disclose them on our Web site,” said Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr. Obama.

Mr. Obama’s publicly disclosed categories stop at the $500,000-and-up level, however. The internal documents show that at least 60 individuals and couples reside in an even more elite club, having raised more than $1 million for Mr. Obama and the party.

They include Frank White Jr., a technology entrepreneur who has raised $2.3 million for Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign; Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue, who has raised $2.7 million; Robert Wolf, a former executive at UBS Americas, the banking company, who has raised about $1.3 million; and Reshma Saujani, a lawyer who is running for New York City public advocate next year and is active among young larger donors, who has raised about $1 million.

About 260 of the bundlers did not raise any money for Mr. Obama during his 2008 campaign, according to the document. That reflects the extraordinary effort Mr. Obama made to recruit new fund-raisers for his re-election effort, as former supporters lost enthusiasm or moved on to other pursuits.

But it also reflects the number of former fund-raisers whom Mr. Obama appointed to ambassadorial and other posts, leaving them barred from political activities.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:15 AM   #91
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You're jumping all over the place. Your initial claim was that the difference was that corporate advocacy requires someone with elite levels of money while media advocacy can be done by anyone. That's simply not true. There is no such difference.

Obviously there are other differences, but those aren't related to your initial objection. The biggest one is the one I pointed out already. In one case your ox is gored and in the other it isn't.
There are huge differences. And you're still not defending Citizens United's ability to benefit the masses, which it clearly doesn't. You're making the same arguments that gun advocates make: other things are just as bad!

The media is driven by a ton of factors that largely dilute its ability to be a straight advocacy machine. Its reliance on an audience, its multi-faceted purposes, the fact that it's a multi-voiced machine rather than a laser-focused point of attack machine. And the biggest media outlets have been robbed of much of their moxie by the Internet's grassroots ability.

The 1% money machine, however, is beholden to nobody, does not have the air of credibility it must sustain that the media largely does, and can be single-minded in ways virtually no media outlet can dream of being.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:02 PM   #92
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There are huge differences. And you're still not defending Citizens United's ability to benefit the masses, which it clearly doesn't. You're making the same arguments that gun advocates make: other things are just as bad!
No, you misunderstand me. My defense of both Citizens United and a free news media is that free speech is far more important than any negative aspects of the exercise thereof. I'm only using the "just as bad" argument to illustrate your hypocrisy when it comes to your tolerance of disproportionate advocacy.

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The media is driven by a ton of factors that largely dilute its ability to be a straight advocacy machine. Its reliance on an audience, its multi-faceted purposes, the fact that it's a multi-voiced machine rather than a laser-focused point of attack machine. And the biggest media outlets have been robbed of much of their moxie by the Internet's grassroots ability.

The 1% money machine, however, is beholden to nobody, does not have the air of credibility it must sustain that the media largely does, and can be single-minded in ways virtually no media outlet can dream of being.
I'd support a reform that allowed individuals to give directly to candidates in any amount that they want. Nothing could be more fair and non-partisan than that.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:24 PM   #93
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No, you misunderstand me. My defense of both Citizens United and a free news media is that free speech is far more important than any negative aspects of the exercise thereof.
Than any negative aspects of it?

Care to revise that statement?

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I'd support a reform that allowed individuals to give directly to candidates in any amount that they want. Nothing could be more fair and non-partisan than that.
Fair and non-partisan?

Public financing. That would be more fair and non-partisan.
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The money we're talking about is undiluted, unfiltered advocacy for a cause.
You do realize that you just said 'money is speech.'

Any wonder now that the SC has never tried to construct a rationale to the contrary?
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You do realize that you just said 'money is speech.'

Any wonder now that the SC has never tried to construct a rationale to the contrary?
No, the ads and exposure are the speech. The money is just the means.

The physical act of putting a soapbox down on a city square is not speech.

Standing on it, shouting your beliefs is.
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No, the ads and exposure are the speech. The money is just the means.

The physical act of putting a soapbox down on a city square is not speech.

Standing on it, shouting your beliefs is.

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Than any negative aspects of it?

Care to revise that statement?
OK, sure. Than any of the negative aspect that you might reasonably raise here (e.g. short of yelling "fire" in the theater").


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Fair and non-partisan?

Public financing. That would be more fair and non-partisan.
No, I like my idea that doesn't restrict anyone's free speech better.
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No, the ads and exposure are the speech. The money is just the means.

The physical act of putting a soapbox down on a city square is not speech.

Standing on it, shouting your beliefs is.
DireckshunRA: Money doesn't say things. People with money say things.
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Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Alito mouthed that what the President was saying was "not true" and it wasn't. It wasn't true that corporations can "spend without limit" in our campaigns nor was it true that it opens up the opportunity for foreign contributions.

BTW, shouldn't Direckshun have named this thread "What the US Constitution has brought"?

Edit: I should have read the thread before posting as it appears that BRC has already been roundly criticized on these points.
Again, you present opinions as facts. Critism form the bubble based on inaccurate information is always wasted effort.

Obama was right about what the Citzens United case would mean to politics in America and Alito was in the bubble. Just as you are.
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Again, you present opinions as facts. Critism form the bubble based on inaccurate information is always wasted effort.

Obama was right about what the Citzens United case would mean to politics in America and Alito was in the bubble. Just as you are.
As Sam Alito said, "Not true."
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Dipshit!! An activist SC would be one that looks into the feasibility of enforcement and regulatory provisions in the offhand possibility that a law might somehow someday be violated.

Federal Law tried declare illegal ALL corporate participation in the marketplace of ideas regarding politics. The SC found that unconstitutional. Federal Law also declares Foreign fiscal influence in politics illegal. That declaration remains the law of the land. No case has been brought before them to determine if in fact any foreign interest has sought to or indeed managed to influence US elections. Judicial restraint demands they remain silent until such a 'case or controversy' arises.
Would it not be easy for a foreign corporation to incorporate a subsidiary corporation in the United States? And, why would not that non-foreign subsidiary corporation of the foreign corporation be recognized as a citizen with first amendment protection?
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Wait a second here. That is an outright fraud to suggest this. There is nothing misleading about that at all. It is clear to me that you do not intend anything other than to suppress opinion that is contrary to your own. Not only did I provide an exact quote, but I told you where the statement was made from. This is not a news site here. It is entirely of opinion. This is a pathetic email.
I'm sure Dallas Chief will be thrilled to see how this has affected you.
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