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Old 09-17-2012, 05:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:17 PM   #46
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I don't. Saying that he doesn't care about half the country and is not going to worry about them probably isn't going to go over to well.
dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:19 PM   #47
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Kind of like signing Obamacare into law, right? Isn't that telling half the country (or more) that you don't care about them or what they think?
No, no, no. That's FAIR. It's okay if we bankrupt the country, as long as it's fair...

Obama's admission that he would raise taxes, even if it generated less revenue for the treasury, because it is "fair" should shock people more than a candidate talking about his campaign.

Obama saying he wouldn't use accounting tricks and would debate healthcare in the open on C-SPAN and then doing it the way they did should shock people more than a candidate talking about his campaign.

Obama proposing budgets that would double our deficit and add $10,000,000,000,000 to the debt should shock people more than a candidate talking about his campaign.

It won't, but it should.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:24 PM   #48
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dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.
of course our views are shaped by our experiences. But we are suppose to share facts. Facts are facts. No interpretation or ambiguity.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:25 PM   #49
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You do realize he was saying he's not worrying about them in the context of the election.

But you are right that this is going to have the desired effect with those that don't want to see him get elected. Another week closer to four more years as good as the last four!
I would agree with you except for the line after that. If he became POTUS I don't think that sentiment would change.


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It will not go over well with people who would never vote for him anyway~
I doubt this will play well with swing voters who probably fit some of the disparging things he said about them.

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Kind of like signing Obamacare into law, right? Isn't that telling half the country (or more) that you don't care about them or what they think?
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dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.
I don't relate to being a victim or dependent on government.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:29 PM   #50
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dirk, you have to consider that you relate to that based on your values. Not everyone shares those values. So even though we see him saying the same words, we have a different idea on it being bad or not.
Holy Shit!!! That is the most coherent and sane thing I have EVER heard you say. Gonna have to rep you on that one sugarbritches!
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:31 PM   #51
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I don't relate to being a victim or dependent on government.
You do relate to Obama's policy on healthcare. That BIG auto had to be bailed to protect people's jobs etc. etc. You don't relate to using those words but that's exactly what that is.

Frankly, I think Obama's restraint on Iran and the Republicans belligerent militarism, not helped by Bibi, is what is hurting the Republican ticket. It can't be the economy under Obama's stewardship that's helping his lead.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:32 PM   #52
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Holy Shit!!! That is the most coherent and sane thing I have EVER heard you say. Gonna have to rep you on that one sugarbritches!
This is the first sane thing I've heard you say.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:33 PM   #53
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This is the first sane thing I've heard you say.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:35 PM   #54
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I doubt this will play well with swing voters who probably fit some of the disparging things he said about them.
If they're swing voters then they don't fall in the group that Romney was describing. His whole statement is conditioned upon the group being an established base of support for the president.

Now, that won't stop Obama supporters or his campaign from confusing the context (as they should), but the fact that Obama will have people up in arms for another week and not thinking about the crap condition of the economy definitely translates into a nice gift.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:38 PM   #55
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Bernie Goldberg parses the polls:
Funny how these polls pretty much reflect what I think. If only the Rs would change on FP, Mitt would have my vote. As it is, I waver but only because of Obamacare.

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And according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll, voters give President Obama a lead over Mitt Romney when asked which candidate would do a better job handing foreign policy,

Medicare, health care, taxes – and this is a significant switch – even the economy and unemployment, where the president holds a one point lead over Romney. One point isn’t much, that’s for sure. But the economy was Romney’s strength — an issue Romney won in the polls until now.

Only when asked who would do a better job with the federal budget deficit does Romney come out ahead of the president, 51 to 43 percent.
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You do relate to Obama's policy on healthcare. That BIG auto had to be bailed to protect people's jobs etc. etc. You don't relate to using those words but that's exactly what that is.

Frankly, I think Obama's restraint on Iran and the Republicans belligerent militarism, not helped by Bibi, is what is hurting the Republican ticket. It can't be the economy under Obama's stewardship that's helping his lead.
I've thought for awhile that this is 2004 all over again. Nice guy running against the New England rich guy who's out of touch that people just don't really want to be married to for the next four years. They know that things aren't going that great, but they don't know that the other guy's ideas are all that. So they end up sticking with the ass they know versus the ass they don't know. But you're probably right, I don't think anyone but the fringe could be asked if they're voting for Obama based on his stewardship and say yes.

What I will agree with Dirk is that this gives Obama an opening to further fuel his narrative and you can bet there will be tons of piling on (again, taking the comment out of context, but for a joke who cares?).

But anyone who's read the excerpts from Bob Woodward's book should know that Obama is in way over his head. And the scary part is that he's one of those guys who doesn't really have a clue, but THINKS he has all the answers. And when confronted by the facts that his ideas aren't working, he has a convenient line of excuses set up to absolve him of the blame.
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This guy sticks his foot in his mouth every other day. It is truly amazing. He was pretty much handed a golden ticket with no decent Republican nominees and a President who has done a zillion things people aren't happy with the last four years. And he just can't shut the heck up and get out of the way. This speech really isn't the end of the world, but it is absolutely as stupid as Obama's guns and religion comment. The bigger issue is that the guy is constantly saying stupid stuff like this. It's mind boggling. Someone on his team needs to tell him to just shut the heck up and get out of the way... but he's probably already done too much damage to himself.
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Bernie Goldberg parses the polls:
Funny how these polls pretty much reflect what I think. If only the Rs would change on FP, Mitt would have my vote. As it is, I waver but only because of Obamacare.

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/if-ob...our-years-ago/
If it turns out the the Dems are +6 in turnout, as this poll envisions, then Romney will likely lose. If not, he won't. Another reason this is like 2004 IMO...
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Do you think any senior citizens on SS even realize that they're part of the "47% who don't pay income tax"? Could their Obama hate even be penetrated enough to realize that Romney is calling them people who see themselves as victims?
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