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Old 09-17-2012, 08:13 AM  
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Apologizing For America

A democratic nation that is confident in itself, proud of itself, and secure in and of itself, should not be above admitting the things it has done wrong.

That is something dictatorships do, not democracies do.

America is a blessed nation and has similarly blessed our lives generously, those of us fortunate enough to do things like participate on this forum.

But that doesn't black out the vast amount of mistaken policies and unjust actions we've taken in our existence. To pretend these things haven't happened, to deny they've ever existed, it's just something people with small dicks and little integrity do.

There's a difference between patriotism and jingoism. And if you're entrenched in the idea that America can either do no wrong, or should never apologize if it does, then you're on the wrong side of that distinction.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....d-apology.html

George W. Bush And Apology
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16 Sep 2012 09:05 PM

Obama has never apologized for America, merely at times acknowledged its mistakes (like torturing prisoners against clear prohibitions in domestic and international law) alongside its strengths (like being one of the the most stable and benign democracies in history). I don't see this acknowledgment of fallibility and error over time as some kind of craven weakness, but actually the kind of strength that a successful, self-confident democracy can deploy when necessary. Democracies can admit when they have screwed up; dictatorships cannot. I regard that as a strength. Romney for some reason regards it as a weakness.

But even George W. Bush differed from Romney on this. And so it was that after some US troops were found using the Koran for target practice, George W. Bush apologized to the prime minister of Iraq:

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"He apologized for that in the sense that he said that we take it very seriously," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. "We are concerned about the reaction. We wanted them to know that the president knew that this was wrong."
Bush apologized for Japanese-American internment (sorry, Michelle Malkin):



Here he is in Africa on the legacy of slavery:

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"Human beings delivered, sorted, weighed, branded with marks of commercial enterprises and loaded as cargo on a voyage without return," Mr. Bush said. "One of the largest migrations in history was also one of the greatest crimes of history." The president recited a litany of Africans and African Americans who made contributions to American society, from the arts to politics: abolitionist Frederick Douglass, slave-poet Phillis Wheatley and Martin Luther King Jr.

"The stolen sons and daughters of Africa helped to awaken the conscience of America," he said. Mr. Bush did not apologize for slavery but noted Americans throughout history "clearly saw this sin and called it by name."
Here is the statement that Mitt Romney called "disgraceful", issued before a mob attacked the Benghazi consulate:

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The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.
The only thing we learned last week is that Romney and Netanyahu know they are losing this race so far and are desperate to use anything to turn it into a polarizing, global religious conflict where they think they can win. That's why Romney did this week what no president should ever do: see a brushfire of anti-Americanism and pour some more gasoline on it. And why Netanyahu is standing by with a few more barrels if necessary.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:57 PM   #46
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You that? That there? In the thread header?

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....d-apology.html

That is an internet hyperlink. It sends you elsewhere in a series of tubes, That particular link will send you to a section of The Daily Beast where a blogger named Andrew Sullivan posts his remarks.

Often Mr. Sullivan's last name is shortened to Sully, which is unfortunate here as we already have one of those, and I forgot to differentiate between the two.
It missed my bat, when you said Sully I clicked to the poster. I was busy trying to recall posts from him. After I had replied I was thinking that the poster Sully seemed like a good guy, and I was thinking if he was like lightrise I would have remembered him being a clown. In short I was side tracked and ran the stop sign officer~
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:00 PM   #47
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It missed my bat, when you said Sully I clicked to the poster. I was busy trying to recall posts from him. After I had replied I was thinking that the poster Sully seemed like a good guy, and I was thinking if he was like lightrise I would have remembered him being a clown. In short I was side tracked and ran the stop sign officer~
I guess I was a little to ambiguous. when I wrote 'not CP Sully' I meant 'not Sully the poster from here on Chiefsplanet.'
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:07 PM   #48
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I guess I was a little to ambiguous. when I wrote 'not CP Sully' I meant 'not Sully the poster from here on Chiefsplanet.'
Lol I am starting to pack. I was glancing and quick posting. I am getting ready to close on a new house. Guilty of trying to goof off while trying to be a little productive. Once again I ran the stop sign...it clearly said stop and I was not paying attention~
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:14 PM   #49
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Is it disgraceful to disown an (alledgely) hateful video that insults a culture you're trying to diplomatically relate to?
When are non-radical muslims going to apologize for dragging innocent Americans thru the street and senseless murder instead of going "oh this is a bad deal, but hey you had it coming with that video".
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:27 PM   #50
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When are non-radical muslims going to apologize for dragging innocent Americans thru the street and senseless murder instead of going "oh this is a bad deal, but hey you had it coming with that video".
Never
More than 27,000 Muslims have been killed in Syria. Muslim reaction nothing.
A stupid video surfaces & Muslims unite & go on the attack against the USA
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