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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:45 PM   #166
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You realize he is already stated he is going to appoint conservative judges to get rid of Roe v Wade? Now you be for that so that might please you.

He also is going to ban porn or try to. He also wants to put a porn filter on every PC in the country. So much for freedom
Neither of these is happening and everyone knows it on both sides of the aisle.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:46 PM   #167
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You realize he is already stated he is going to appoint conservative judges to get rid of Roe v Wade? Now you be for that so that might please you.

He also is going to ban porn or try to. He also wants to put a porn filter on every PC in the country. So much for freedom
Abortion and Porn aren't going anywhere. MAYBE in month 9 of year 7 of a Romney administration you'll see work on better parental controls for the internet along the lines of Clinton/Gore's V-chip.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:50 PM   #168
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Not going there because you keep handing out opinions as facts.
Bull ****ing shit. I know what opinions are and I know what facts are. Facts speak for themselves and opinions I bolster with a coherent rationale.

You OTOH, sputter a few 'but what about's' then run away, far far away.

You have a rebuttal, stand like a man and assert it. Don't run away and dive bomb back in with generalized unsupported dismissals you've left fallow for days and weeks.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:51 PM   #169
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Neither of these is happening and everyone knows it on both sides of the aisle.
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Abortion and Porn aren't going anywhere. MAYBE in month 9 of year 7 of a Romney administration you'll see work on better parental controls for the internet along the lines of Clinton/Gore's V-chip.
So are you saying he is lying?
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:57 PM   #170
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So are you saying he is lying?
To my ears, he hasn't said anything yet regarding those issues.

Based on your post of 5 minutes ago, we first need to determine if Alex Wong, whomever 'She told ThinkProgress,' or ThinkProgress are lying.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:03 PM   #171
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I think Romney's killshot came in Clinton's speech at the DNC.

But this sinks him. We're looking at a potential landslide, now.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:04 PM   #172
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Now I KNOW it's useless to ask for specifics, because there are no high profile, concentrated remarks on social intrusions like you allude to.
From his official website:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/values

Mitt believes that life begins at conception


Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us. As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America’s values of preserving life at home and abroad.

No stem cell research:
Scientific research and the preservation of human dignity are complementary, and America’s laws must reflect this conviction.

Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman




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Church employee birth control violates religious conscience


Q: Birth control is the latest hot topic. Do you believe in birth control, and if not, why?ROMNEY: In the previous debate, we wondered why in the world did contraception come up? Well, we found out when Barack Obama continued his attack on religious conscience. I don't think we've seen in the history of this country the kind of attack on religious conscience, religious freedom, religious tolerance that we've seen under Barack Obama. Most recently requiring the Catholic Church to provide for its employees health care insurance that would include birth control, sterilization and the morning-after pill. Unbelievable. And he retried to retreat from that but he retreated in a way that was not appropriate, because these insurance companies now have to provide these same things and obviously the Catholic Church will end up paying for them.
Source: CNN's 2012 GOP Debate on eve of Arizona Primary , Feb 22, 2012

MA churches can choose to not provide morning-after pills


Q: Speaker Gingrich has said during your tenure as governor, you required Catholic hospitals to provide emergency contraception to rape victims. Did you?ROMNEY: No, absolutely not. There was no requirement in Massachusetts for the Catholic Church to provide morning-after pills to rape victims. That was entirely voluntary on their part. Likewise, there's a provision in Massachusetts General Law that says people don't have to have coverage for contraceptives or other type of medical devices which are contrary to their religious teachings. Churches also don't have to provide that.
GINGRICH: Well, the reports we got were quite clear that the public health department was prepared to give a waiver to Catholic hospitals about a morning-after abortion pill, and that the governor's office issued explicit instructions saying that they believed it wasn't possible under Massachusetts law. When you have government as the central provider of services, you inevitably move towards tyranny.
Source: CNN's 2012 GOP Debate on eve of Arizona Primary , Feb 22, 2012

Courts added tax-paid abortions to RomneyCare; not me


GINGRICH: Governor Romney has said that he had an experience in a lab and became pro-life, and I accept that. After he became pro-life, RomneyCare does pay for tax-paid abortions. RomneyCare has written into it Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the country, by name. ROMNEY: First, in RomneyCare, there's no mention of abortion whatsoever. The Massachusetts Supreme Court decided that all times that there was any subsidy of health care in Massachusetts that one received abortion care. That was not done by the legislature; I would have vetoed such a thing. That was done by the courts. #2, it's true, somewhere in that bill of ours, 70 pages, there's the mention of the words "Planned Parenthood," but it describes payment structures.
SANTORUM: You do not specifically mention that abortion is not covered. You can't say: Oh, gee, surprise, the court made us cover abortions. He knew very well that the court would make him cover abortions.
Source: South Carolina 2012 GOP debate hosted by CNN's John King , Jan 19, 2012

I had no litmus test for appointing judges, but I'm pro-life


GINGRICH: Governor Romney did appoint pro-abortion judges.ROMNEY: I appointed probably 50 or 60 judges--at the trial court level, mostly, the great majority. These were former prosecutors; 80% of them former prosecutors. We don't have a litmus test for appointing judges--asking them if they're pro-life or not pro-life. These were people going after crimes and the like. I am pro-life. And the Massachusetts Citizens for Life and several other family-oriented groups wrote a letter two weeks ago and said they'd watched my record, that I was an avidly pro-life governor. I am a pro-life governor; I am a pro-life individual. Is there any possibility that I've ever made a mistake in that regard, I didn't see something that I should have seen? Possibly. But you can count on me, as president, to pursue a policy that protects the life of unborn, whether here in this country or overseas. And I'll reverse the policies of this president.
Source: South Carolina 2012 GOP debate hosted by CNN's John King , Jan 19, 2012

Scientifically, life begins at conception


Romney has rejected suggestions that politics motivated his change of heart on abortion & embryonic stem cell research. "Everybody's entitled to their own view," he said. "Some people who look at the issue of the beginning of life from the lens of their faith say, 'When does the spirit enter the body?' That is not the lens that I think a secular leader should use. I look from a scientific standpoint. Romney said he arrived at his moral answer after pressing scientists on the cloning process. "When you create this clone, when you take the nucleus of a skin cell of a male and put it in an egg of the female, do you at that point have life?" Romney recalled asking. "And they said, 'No question, it is life. Once you put these together, you have life.' That's all I need to know for when the definition of when human life begins."The extent of Romney's shift became clear in July 2005 when he vetoed a bill for the morning-after pill and to require hospitals to make it available to rape victims.
Source: The Real Romney, by Kranish & Helman, p.254-255 , Jan 17, 2012
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:07 PM   #173
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Bull ****ing shit. I know what opinions are and I know what facts are. Facts speak for themselves and opinions I bolster with a coherent rationale.
yet, you havent answered my questions.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:08 PM   #174
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To my ears, he hasn't said anything yet regarding those issues.

Based on your post of 5 minutes ago, we first need to determine if Alex Wong, whomever 'She told ThinkProgress,' or ThinkProgress are lying.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:12 PM   #175
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To my ears, he hasn't said anything yet regarding those issues.
What have your ears told you about the socialist utopia Obama will establish beginning Nov. 7, 2012? Specific policies, please.
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Seriously though. These are what you call BENIGN aspirations.

Respect for life, religious institutions, conscience. They can be at odds with secularism but they can co-exist on the level of respect. Socialism and Free Market are less comfortable bedfellows. Either government provides or you provide for yourself. To try otherwise is to mask 'providing for yourself' in the cloak of toadying government to clear your path, AKA crony capitalism.
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Seriously though. These are what you call BENIGN aspirations.

Respect for life, religious institutions, conscience. They can be at odds with secularism but they can co-exist on the level of respect. Socialism and Free Market are less comfortable bedfellows. Either government provides or you provide for yourself. To try otherwise is to mask 'providing for yourself' in the cloak of toadying government to clear your path, AKA crony capitalism.
So Obamas views/words are a concern but Romneys are benign. Got it. All cleared up now.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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What have your ears told you about the socialist utopia Obama will establish beginning Nov. 7, 2012? Specific policies, please.
Don't pretend that there are no sources regarding taking baby steps towards single payer or towards making efficient cost-effective energy less cost-effective through demonization and regulation, or towards spreading the wealth around that those entrepreneurs didn't build or earn, or that I haven't already discussed them here before.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:21 PM   #180
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Half of Americans fit the description he was selling?

Heh.
I am not going to pretend to know the exact number but it is really high. I went back home in Oregon and a friend wanted to hook up for a beer. Bunch of guys at the bar bitching about Romney and his taxation policy. I asked the group how much they paid in taxes last year. It got real quiet. We are just a big fat ass Greece when it comes to lazy ass people who feel entitled. Heaven forbid they can't drink on the man.
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