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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:58 PM   #211
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Every person I have met in the last 4+ yrs that supports obama is on gov't assistance or employed in the public sector.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:59 PM   #212
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It's offensive because it's a crass, blanket intended to demean, and then he directly implied his job is not to care about them. He said they expect food and shelter. And implied that they therefore must be in the tank for Obama. And he cited a 47% figure that lumps in the elderly and much of the middle class. That 47% figure included you, if your story about your history is to be believed, for much of your life.

And he's doing it on the dime of a Party that believes offending the rich is something called "class warfare."

Other than that, you're doing great.

The Republican Party and its nominee proved tonight that they have no problem with class warfare. They only care if it's targeting the wealthy.

What a bunch of horseshit. Keep parading those strawmen arguments around.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:00 PM   #213
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Scare tactics. I think that's a good marketing move for the Romney campaign.

Video of Greece/London-like riots. Camera falls on a child roaming the streets in ragged clothes amidst the violence. Child turns head and stares back at camera, slowly zooming into face. In a fade, there's a flashback. The camera is focused on a younger child being held in his mother's arms (it's the roaming child, a couple years earlier). Camera shot of mother in voting booth. Cut to mother's ballot, we see her check "Barack Obama," and slide the ballot into the voting slot. Mother walks out. Camera follows, then is still, watches the mother and child walk out, and child turns head and stares back at camera.

Cut to black screen. Then the words: The future is in your hands. Still screen. A sober voice. "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:02 PM   #214
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I grew up poor. I know a lot of people who have been or are still in a poverty level.

Quite a few of those people are not lazy, but have made decisions in their lives that have limited their income and yes, most of them are glad to have a handout.


It doesn't offend me because I think there is 1 way to get out of poverty regardless of your path...hard work. Be it through education, employment, lifestyle choices.

I definitely believe in picking yourself up by the boot straps. So no, class warfare doesn't bother me when it's going both ways. No reason the democrats should be the only group allowed to use that card.

Why is it offensive to mention welfare like it's not known that it's a free lunch for the democratic candidates, but it IS if the Repubs point that out? I didn't hear Romney say anything disparaging about those people, only that they're in Obama's pocket.
I don't disagree with much of what you posted but he certainly disparaged half the country with him calling people victims and they don't want to take personal responsibility.

There is no question that there is lazy people that try to scam the system and don't want to work but they are part of both parties or no party. They aren't exclusive to Democrats or Obama supporters.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:04 PM   #215
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I don't disagree with much of what you posted but he certainly disparaged half the country with him calling people victims and they don't want to take personal responsibility.

There is no question that there is lazy people that try to scam the system and don't want to work but they are part of both parties or no party. They aren't exclusive to Democrats or Obama supporters.
You know what doesn't exist? Veterans who support Obama. They just don't exist.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:04 PM   #216
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You think all Obama supporters are victims?
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:05 PM   #217
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It's offensive because it's a crass, blanket intended to demean, and then he directly implied his job is not to care about them. He said they expect food and shelter. And implied that they therefore must be in the tank for Obama. And he cited a 47% figure that lumps in the elderly and much of the middle class. That 47% figure included you, if your story about your history is to be believed, for much of your life. And "quite a few" of the other people you respect who were in similar conditions but not content to sit back and collect welfare.

And he did all this on the dime of a Party that believes offending the rich is something called "class warfare."

Other than that, you're doing great.

The Republican Party and its nominee proved tonight that they have no problem with class warfare. They only care if it's targeting the wealthy.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:07 PM   #218
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You know what doesn't exist? Veterans who support Obama. They just don't exist.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:07 PM   #219
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Scare tactics. I think that's a good marketing move for the Romney campaign.

Video of Greece/London-like riots. Camera falls on a child roaming the streets in ragged clothes amidst the violence. Child turns head and stares back at camera, slowly zooming into face. In a fade, there's a flashback. The camera is focused on a younger child being held in his mother's arms (it's the roaming child, a couple years earlier). Camera shot of mother in voting booth. Cut to mother's ballot, we see her check "Barack Obama," and slide the ballot into the voting slot. Mother walks out. Camera follows, then is still, watches the mother and child walk out, and child turns head and stares back at camera.

Cut to black screen. Then the words: The future is in your hands. Still screen. A sober voice. "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."
You think our debt/spending is a scare tactic? This is where these discussions end. YOu obviously have a serious issue in dealing with reality.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:07 PM   #220
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You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson fund is in 40% gold right now.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:08 PM   #221
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YES!!!!! That is right on the money.
Where are you living now?

Maybe I'm in a bubble, but the only people I know that are voting Romney live in Kansas and Texas. Well, there is ONE guy in Cali that I know.

And those who are fervent Obama supporters certainly aren't on the government teet.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:08 PM   #222
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HE shouldn't apologize for saying any of it. It wasn't mean, it was true.


If you're offended by that, you're probably an entitlement anchor of some sort.
He just called almost half the country mooches. I'm not by a damn site offended by that, however, I'm sure a lot are.

I'm sure that's going to help the shit out of his already soft ratings.
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You can ignore reality all you want. Obama getting re-elected is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. He will bring the whole system down and once the spigot is turned off they will be crying in the streets wondering where their free handout went just like Greece. You killed the golden goose bro. Small business is already adapting. Cash businesses are all the rage now. All you need to do is look at Italy to see how business in the future will be done here. Big money is leaving the country or bracing for the fallout. Paulson fund is in 40% gold right now.
Paulson is getting his ass kicked performance wise right now too. Don't let that get in your way.
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You think our debt/spending is a scare tactic? This is where these discussions end. YOu obviously have a serious issue in dealing with reality.
Hey you going to make another Obama losing bet?
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