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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:26 AM   #346
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From what I read, the 47% is a fact based upon 2009 tax returns. Where Romney's message falls flat is that the 47% is made up of many different sets of circumstances. That amount is not entirely made up of freeloaders as his statement would have you believe.

Based on that blanket comment, Romney would have you believe that full-time students and soldiers deployed in combat zones are just looking for entitlements because they don't pay federal income tax. That's the problem with taking a stat like the 47% and making some awful blanket statement like he did.

Of course there are freeloaders. Any country with a population as big as the US's will have people that take advantage of the system. But to say that 47% of the population falls into that bucket is asinine.
Let's review a couple of facts.
* 46.4% of Americans don't pay federal income tax.

* 49% of Americans receive government subsidies through Medicaid, Medicare, SS, food stamps, or a housing assistance program.
The two groups are not identical. Some fall in one group but not the other. Some are in both. Will every one of those people vote for Obama? No. Does Obama own that demographic? Most certainly.

The problem here isn't Mitt Romney's generalization or the point that he's making about Obama's socialism-embracing base. It's the vacuous need on the part of some to interpret his comments ultra-literally and pretend that it's a gamechanger, which it's not, in order to distract from the failed economic and foreign policies of our current President.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:32 AM   #347
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Fail? Talking out of your ass again, Pat.

http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/#10

Reagan alluded to reforming healthcare and some form of national healthcare on several occasions before and after he was president.
Reagan was for a social safety net. So were both Bush's. It's a fail to claim that Reagan was for socialized medicine. In fact, from your own link in Reagan's own words as he contemplates government assistance to help the poor access the private health system:

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Regarding national health insurance, you could reassure your student, Miss Lee Catcher, that while I am opposed to socialized medicine, I have always felt that medical care should be available for those who cannot otherwise afford it. I have been looking into a program whereby government might pay the premiums for health insurance for those who cannot afford it and, at the same time, make such premiums for others a tax credit or deduction, preferably credit to encourage more use of private health insurance. There is also the problem of insurance for those catastrophic cases where the medical care goes on for years at a tremendously high cost. I proposed a form of government insurance for that in California when I was governor, but we couldn't get any legislative support for it. I do believe this is a particular problem which must be faced and where the government could have a hand.

I hope you have a very happy holiday season.

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Old 09-18-2012, 09:32 AM   #348
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He hit the nail on the head. It's about time to for someone to call it the way it is.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:35 AM   #349
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I wonder how people in the 57th state feel about the figures Romney uses in his otherwise accurate statement.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:35 AM   #350
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Reagan was for a social safety net. So were both Bush's. It's a fail to claim that Reagan was for socialized medicine. In fact, from your own link in Reagan's own words as he contemplates government assistance to help the poor access the private health system:



Big fail.



There are several other instances where Reagan alluded to national healthcare. I think it's hilarious that Reagan said he's not for socialized medicine but then goes on to describe socialized medicine.

And of course, you bought it hook, line and sinker.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:38 AM   #351
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The point from his statement is that 47% of the US population is hooked on government benefits, and that statement is completely untrue.

The funny thing is about a quarter of that 47% is made up of senior citizens, many of whom vote Republican.

It was just a stupid statement overall.
You're right. It's well over 47%.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:40 AM   #352
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There are several other instances where Reagan alluded to national healthcare. I think it's hilarious that Reagan said he's not for socialized medicine but then goes on to describe socialized medicine.

And of course, you bought it hook, line and sinker.
The one-drop rule? Brilliant. I assume you're on board with calling Obama a socialist then, right? Or are we going to have different standards depending on what argument you want to make at the time?
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:43 AM   #353
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You're right. It's well over 47%.
"Hooked" on government benefits? Maybe you are just more skeptical than me, but I don't personally think half of our population is just sitting at home waiting for their government check to show up in the mailbox.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:44 AM   #354
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I saw Ari Fleischer on CNN last night talking about this and he did not even mention that the B*sh tax cuts were the event that got lower income wage earners and lower middle income people off the tax rolls.

It seems like the GOP ought to admit that the B*sh tax cuts were designed that way to make a poison pill that Democrats could not let them expire without impacting households who earn less than $50,000 per year.

It is not right for GOP to complain about the percentage of people who pay little or no federal income tax because they are the ones who knocked a lot of people off of the federal tax rolls.
It's right for those of us who complained about that aspect of both the Bush tax cuts and Reagan's tax cuts of the 80s.

You're right that those two rounds of cuts are what created such a large class of non-income-tax-payers.

You're not right to blame it all on the GOP, of course, because that was the price the GOP had to pay to get enough democrat support to pass those cuts in the first place. It was the democrats who wanted fewer people paying taxes, not the GOP.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:48 AM   #355
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"Hooked" on government benefits? Maybe you are just more skeptical than me, but I don't personally think half of our population is just sitting at home waiting for their government check to show up in the mailbox.
They don't have to be sitting at home to be hooked on them. A lot of our government benefit junkies work for the majority of their living, but they're hooked nonetheless. Eliminate the home mortgage deduction or the student loan program, just to name a couple, and watch masses of people go into fits like heroin addicts who are cut off from their fix.
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They don't have to be sitting at home to be hooked on them. A lot of our government benefit junkies work for the majority of their living, but they're hooked nonetheless. Eliminate the home mortgage deduction or the student loan program, just to name a couple, and watch masses of people go into fits like heroin addicts who are cut off from their fix.
And just think of all the engineers, computer scientists and programmers, chemists, physicists, and manufacturers who work in some capacity in the military defense business.
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They don't have to be sitting at home to be hooked on them. A lot of our government benefit junkies work for the majority of their living, but they're hooked nonetheless. Eliminate the home mortgage deduction or the student loan program, just to name a couple, and watch masses of people go into fits like heroin addicts who are cut off from their fix.
Most of them Romney\Republican voters as David Brooks points out.

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But these are not the sensible arguments that Mitt Romney made at a fund-raiser earlier this year. Romney, who criticizes President Obama for dividing the nation, divided the nation into two groups: the makers and the moochers. Forty-seven percent of the country, he said, are people “who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to take care of them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it.”

This comment suggests a few things. First, it suggests that he really doesn’t know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

It suggests that Romney doesn’t know much about the culture of America. Yes, the entitlement state has expanded, but America remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Americans work longer hours than just about anyone else. Americans believe in work more than almost any other people. Ninety-two percent say that hard work is the key to success, according to a 2009 Pew Research Survey.

It says that Romney doesn’t know much about the political culture. Americans haven’t become childlike worshipers of big government. On the contrary, trust in government has declined. The number of people who think government spending promotes social mobility has fallen.

The people who receive the disproportionate share of government spending are not big-government lovers. They are Republicans. They are senior citizens. They are white men with high school degrees. As Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution has noted, the people who have benefited from the entitlements explosion are middle-class workers, more so than the dependent poor.
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They don't have to be sitting at home to be hooked on them. A lot of our government benefit junkies work for the majority of their living, but they're hooked nonetheless. Eliminate the home mortgage deduction or the student loan program, just to name a couple, and watch masses of people go into fits like heroin addicts who are cut off from their fix.
Are you advocating getting rid of the student loan program?
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And just think of all the engineers, computer scientists and programmers, chemists, physicists, and manufacturers who work in some capacity in the military defense business.
Yes, many of them probably take the home mortgage interest subsidy and various other forms of government assistance. Like I said, it's way over 47%.
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