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Old 12-10-2011, 05:47 PM  
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Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

He's facing a 50 game suspension.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:01 PM   #286
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You will need to explain why this is a "problem". The sample was not poured out into a tupperware dish, it was kept triple-sealed in its container, and refrigerated, which is what MLB and the player's union would have expected him to do if he collected on a Sunday.

Braun got off on a meaningless technicality.
This seems like common sense to me. Given its importance, should a urine sample be kept at some guys house on a desk in a tupperware dish? Again, there were 12...not one, not two...but 12 Fed Ex stations open from which the sample could have been shipped from.

Again, MLB agreed to the strict standard...they even agreed that the burden of proof regarding the chain of evidence was on them.

I agree that Braun got off completely on a technicality...but MLB agreed to the rules, and should be made to play by them. If the tables were reversed, management would not hesitate to hold the players accountable to the letter of the law.

I would not characterize the technicality as meaningless.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:05 PM   #287
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PED users are just as likely to be the guys putting up steadily nice numbers throughout their careers as they are to be guys with dramatic spikes in performance.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:09 PM   #288
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This seems like common sense to me. Given its importance, should a urine sample be kept at some guys house on a desk in a tupperware dish? Again, there were 12...not one, not two...but 12 Fed Ex stations open from which the sample could have been shipped from.

Again, MLB agreed to the strict standard...they even agreed that the burden of proof regarding the chain of evidence was on them.

I agree that Braun got off completely on a technicality...but MLB agreed to the rules, and should be made to play by them. If the tables were reversed, management would not hesitate to hold the players accountable to the letter of the law.

I would not characterize the technicality as meaningless.
You might be misunderstanding me. I'm not necessarily saying the arbitrator made the wrong decision, I don't know the fine details of baseball's drug policy, baseball appeal precedent, etc. I'm not a Brewers fan or have any direct interest in the NL Central race, so I don't really care about that.

I'm interested in whether Braun was guilty, and whether the collector acted reasonably. The answer is yes to both, and Braun would have been nailed by every other sport who tests for this stuff in the world. I don't care if there were eleventy zillion Fedex locations open, I didn't know they were open on Saturday either. Its arguably this guy's job to know every fine archaic rule surrounding collection, but no one else has this idiotic "must ship immediately if possible or the test is void" rule.

It is a meaningless technicality because the violation of the rule had no impact on the result of the test.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:13 PM   #289
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:17 PM   #290
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Extremely difficult to write laws or rules that emcompass every possible scenerio. Guess that's why we have courts in this land. Can't hate on Braun for finding one. It's the American Way
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:25 PM   #291
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This seems like common sense to me. Given its importance, should a urine sample be kept at some guys house on a desk in a tupperware dish? Again, there were 12...not one, not two...but 12 Fed Ex stations open from which the sample could have been shipped from.

Again, MLB agreed to the strict standard...they even agreed that the burden of proof regarding the chain of evidence was on them.

I agree that Braun got off completely on a technicality...but MLB agreed to the rules, and should be made to play by them. If the tables were reversed, management would not hesitate to hold the players accountable to the letter of the law.

I would not characterize the technicality as meaningless.
You keep saying that but it doesn't actually make it true. They're serialized sample collection kits with rigorous safeguards against tampering and it was refrigerated. It was taken by someone who is a professional DCO who was being contracted by the MLB to administer the testing. I mean, this is the same guy that is full trusted to administer the actual testing in regards to getting the sample, preparing the sample for shipment etc. Not just some random dude that picked up a jar of piss and left it at home while he went clubbing. When every major agency in the doping control agency is saying this is a bullshit technicality that he got off on I'm pretty much going to side with them over anything coming out of ESPN who long ago sold off their thin veneer of credibility well before they let Craig James run Mike Leach out of Lubbock on their dime. I mean seriously, there is absolutely no evidence that the sample wasn't his sample, no evidence that the sample was tampered with or doctored in any way and no evidence that there was any degradation of the sample by the extra time it took to be shipped. He got off because the rules were worded poorly and didn't allow for what is standard operating procedure the world over in doping control testing.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:47 PM   #292
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what a ****ing retarded press conference. I turned it after about 1min
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Old 02-24-2012, 06:31 PM   #293
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I'm still not sure how the info from the supposed positive test was leaked? Sounds like MLB or someone might get sued big time. Hopefully whoever is responsible for leak get's what they have coming to them.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:47 AM   #294
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Ryan Braun's 2012 Stats:

40 HRs (1st in the NL)
168 Hits (4th in the NL)
324 Total Bases (1st in the NL)
103 RBIs (2nd in the NL)
95 Runs Scored (2nd in the NL)

With those numbers, and with the Brewers surging to just 2.5 games back of the wildcard after an awful 3/4 of a season and being sellers (Grienke trade) at the deadline, he has to be firmly in the NL MVP discussion now.

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Old 09-18-2012, 10:48 AM   #295
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:52 AM   #296
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Ryan Braun's 2012 Stats:

40 HRs (1st in the NL)
168 Hits (4th in the NL)
324 Total Bases (1st in the NL)
103 RBIs (2nd in the NL)
95 Runs Scored (2nd in the NL)

With those numbers, and with the Brewers surging to just 2.5 games back of the wildcard after an awful 3/4 of a season and being sellers (Grienke trade) at the deadline, he has to be firmly in the NL MVP discussion now.

Completely vindicated. He has manned up in a season where all the doubt could have messed with him. Hands down Braun is the MVP again this year. Great story; glad you posted this.
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He was still using and got off on a technicality.
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He was still using and got off on a technicality.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:08 AM   #299
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Eh, he cheated and likely still is. Look at all the test Lance passed. I would wager well over 1/2 of professional athletes still cheat to some point. He probably wipes on some Androgel and night let's the Test do is stuff then he is back to normal readings in the morning in case there is a test. I don't buy some errand boy jerked it into his specimen.
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Yep. I'm just glad he wasn't able to cheat his way to the World Series. Luckily, St. Louis is still the place where Milwaukee's playoff dreams go to ****ing die.
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