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Old 09-17-2012, 04:06 PM  
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Romney: 47% of Americans are victims

I guess this maybe the kill shot for his campaign. I know some of you believe you this and won't find a problem with what he said but as a person running for POTUS you probably shouldn't write off 1/2 the country especially in a disparaging way.

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A hidden camera video of Mitt Romney at a fundraiser shows him talking disparagingly of people who will vote for President Obama.

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

He adds: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:23 PM   #676
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I'm one of those damn soldiers that got out of the service (never making $40k/yr), have been working my azz off harder, faster and smarter and now earn 6 figures. No one here is going to tell me that it can't be done because it can. And, if you don't think that it can be done, enjoy your welfare
yeah, because that's what he said.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:27 PM   #677
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I do think it's interesting to put percentages out there, though.

What percentage of Americans are just too stupid to ever "make it"?

What percentage of Americans are just too lazy to ever "make it"?

What percentage of Americans, through no fault of their own, will never "make it"?
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:27 PM   #678
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yeah, because that's what he said.
nothing on him personally, I just used his post as a quote being ex-military. I just strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that working harder, faster, smarter won't lead you to financial success. I will say that it is of course not guaranteed. But, this country provides us with the freedom and the opportunity to succeed through our efforts and it is happening to a lot of people. If one doesn't work towards a goal of financial freedom through hard work or maybe gets a degree in basket-waeving, good luck with getting above the middle class ever because it ain't gonna be handed to you.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:29 PM   #679
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I'm one of those damn soldiers that got out of the service (never making $40k/yr), have been working my azz off harder, faster and smarter and now earn 6 figures. No one here is going to tell me that it can't be done because it can. And, if you don't think that it can be done, enjoy your welfare
Jesus Jumping Christ on a Pogo Stick, you win the "Completely Missing the Point" award. Soldiers in combat zones do not have to pay federal income tax (which is a great policy), thus is included in the 47% of Americans that don't pay federal income tax. According to Romney's statement, they are in the group that can't be made to be responsible to care for their own lives.

I don't give a shit what Romney meant when he was talking. Execution supersedes intention. Fair or unfair, the person running for POTUS needs to always be mindful of his phrasing and choice of words. As he found out, someone is always listening/watching.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:30 PM   #680
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nothing on him personally, I just used his post as a quote being ex-military. I just strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that working harder, faster, smarter won't lead you to financial success. I will say that it is of course not guaranteed. But, this country provides us with the freedom and the opportunity to succeed through our efforts and it is happening to a lot of people. If one doesn't work towards a goal of financial freedom through hard work or maybe gets a degree in basket-waeving, good luck with getting above the middle class ever because it ain't gonna be handed to you.
No doubt. And i doubt anyone here, L or R would disagree with you.

But if your small business only yields a net income of, lets say 60K a year, that certainly doesn't make you a leech, nor does it mean that you aren't working hard enough.
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Jesus Jumping Christ on a Pogo Stick, you win the "Completely Missing the Point" award. Soldiers in combat zones do not have to pay federal income tax (which is a great policy), thus is included in the 47% of Americans that don't pay federal income tax. According to Romney's statement, they are in the group that can't be made to be responsible to care for their own lives.

I don't give a shit what Romney meant when he was talking. Execution supersedes intention. Fair or unfair, the person running for POTUS needs to always be mindful of his phrasing and choice of words. As he found out, someone is always listening/watching.


I haven't read the thread, and don't intend to, but you think that Romney was including combat soldiers in that group?
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:33 PM   #682
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I haven't read the thread, and don't intend to
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I haven't read the thread, and don't intend to, but you think that Romney was including combat soldiers in that group?
Even if it was unintentional, he did.

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Jesus Jumping Christ on a Pogo Stick, you win the "Completely Missing the Point" award. Soldiers in combat zones do not have to pay federal income tax (which is a great policy), thus is included in the 47% of Americans that don't pay federal income tax. According to Romney's statement, they are in the group that can't be made to be responsible to care for their own lives.

I don't give a shit what Romney meant when he was talking. Execution supersedes intention. Fair or unfair, the person running for POTUS needs to always be mindful of his phrasing and choice of words. As he found out, someone is always listening/watching.
No, I cought the point. I was just making mine. I agree with what you say in this second para though. But, it works on both sides and unfortunately they not both being held to the same standard by our illustrious media
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No doubt. And i doubt anyone here, L or R would disagree with you.

But if your small business only yields a net income of, lets say 60K a year, that certainly doesn't make you a leech, nor does it mean that you aren't working hard enough.
Okay, this is weird. Based on the following quote, Romney doesn't seem to be referring to such people...

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

What am I missing?
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Yet, here you are, asking questions and making judgments.

What judgments? I was trolling above, you dork.
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Okay, this is weird. Based on the following quote, Romney doesn't seem to be referring to such people...

Said Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."

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I haven't read the thread, and don't intend to, but you think that Romney was including combat soldiers in that group?
Romney said 47% of Americans don't pay income tax, then proceeded to say "those people" can't be made to take responsibility for their own lives. Combat soldiers are in the 47%. If he is going to toss around that stat as a political prop, he needs to understand exactly what makes up that figure so he doesn't stick his foot down his throat. He is just a complete boob as a politician.
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No, he didn't. He directly linked those who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing and so on WITH people who pay no income tax.
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