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Old 09-23-2012, 06:15 PM  
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:11 PM   #46
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You don't understand how venture capitalism works. It's not "Hey we need 30Million because we ran the company into the ground" and the venture cap. guys say "ok" here you go. It's "We need 30Million because we ran the company into the ground" and the Cap guys says "I'm going to take over your board, fire most if not all your Senior execs and cut all the overhead out of the business and if the company still is failing I'm going to sell it off in pieces down to the last out building and acre of land". You're complaining about because the Cap. guys risked their own money to try to turn the bus. around and when it couldn't be turned around they salvaged their investment by selling off the hard assets. Happens all the time in business. Every day all day.
Romney wasn't a venture capitalist. Romney was a LBO private equity guy. Huge difference between the two.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:14 PM   #47
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You don't understand how venture capitalism works. It's not "Hey we need 30Million because we ran the company into the ground" and the venture cap. guys say "ok" here you go. It's "We need 30Million because we ran the company into the ground" and the Cap guys says "I'm going to take over your board, fire most if not all your Senior execs and cut all the overhead out of the business and if the company still is failing I'm going to sell it off in pieces down to the last out building and acre of land". You're complaining about because the Cap. guys risked their own money to try to turn the bus. around and when it couldn't be turned around they salvaged their investment by selling off the hard assets. Happens all the time in business. Every day all day.
And Romney wasn't risking Bain's money. They would collect funds from investors, borrow the rest, extract fees, and then stick someone else with the debt.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:14 PM   #48
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How do you walk away with a profit from a mess you made, and leave the government to bail out your obligations to your workers?

The mess was already there. As far as walking away with a profit....blame tha on the laws we have and amusingly..we ask for more laws.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:15 PM   #49
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No...but if the company was gonna go teats up anyway, what are we talking about?
Most of the companies they bought were stable, boring cash generators. They went tits up after Bain loaded them up with unsustainable debt levels.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:16 PM   #50
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The mess was already there. As far as walking away with a profit....blame tha on the laws we have and amusingly..we ask for more laws.
I would think a good one to have would be to not to let them do that.

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Old 09-24-2012, 01:17 PM   #51
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The mess was already there. As far as walking away with a profit....blame tha on the laws we have and amusingly..we ask for more laws.
Go read up on LBOs. You are hopelessly clueless as to how they are structured and how the PE firm gets paid.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:21 PM   #52
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Go read up on LBOs. You are hopelessly clueless as to how they are structured and how the PE firm gets paid.
Hopelessly?

LOL. Yeah...I can't learn that at all.

Now get back to work before I call your company and offer my services to replace you with a script.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:28 PM   #53
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #54
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Hopelessly?

LOL. Yeah...I can't learn that at all.

Now get back to work before I call your company and offer my services to replace you with a script.
Lol you guys have such a strong track record when it comes to finance.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:10 PM   #55
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Lol you guys have such a strong track record when it comes to finance.
Who is "you guys"?

Put down the beers....there is only one of me.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:36 PM   #56
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You mean after Bain drove it into the ground and then somehow walked away with millions of dollars and left taxpayers holding the bag?
Bain didn't drive these companies into the ground, unless you count taking over the pilot's seat during a death spiral and being unable to pull the enterprise out of the dive before it hits the ground.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:39 PM   #57
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Bain didn't drive these companies into the ground, unless you count taking over the pilot's seat during a death spiral and being unable to pull the enterprise out of the dive before it hits the ground.
Wow, that sounds kind of familiar. Like someone had to that around January 2009, but instead was able to steady things and improve the situation.
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Wow, that sounds kind of familiar. Like someone had to that around January 2009, but instead was able to steady things and improve the situation.
The US must be GST Steel in that analogy.
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Romney wasn't a venture capitalist. Romney was a LBO private equity guy. Huge difference between the two.
You're right I meant to say private equity.
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