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Old 09-22-2012, 05:14 PM  
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The drumbeat for Hillary 2016 is picking up.

Enough so, that the current governor of New York is considering nixing his plans to run in 2016.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/ny...-way.html?_r=0

For Ambitious Governor, a Clinton Stands in the Way
By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
Published: September 21, 2012

Since taking office last year, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has done many things well, positioning himself for a possible presidential run.

He has challenged — and outmaneuvered — Albany’s wily Legislature. He has kept his once-notorious temper from spilling over. He has built a prodigious fund-raising operation and earned poll numbers that are the envy of governors nationwide.

But now Mr. Cuomo, a man who likes to determine his own destiny, faces a variable beyond his control: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Creating frustration for his inner circle, as Mr. Cuomo considers a 2016 campaign for the White House, the eyes of his party are fixed on Mrs. Clinton, whose already sky-high stature among Democratic activists was enhanced by her husband’s crowd-pleasing speech this month at the party’s convention in Charlotte, N.C., and who can count on broad support if she decides to run.

Mrs. Clinton complicates Mr. Cuomo’s ambitions in several ways. Despite the fact that she hails from Illinois, she is now viewed as a New Yorker and commands deep loyalty from the state’s Democratic establishment. And Mr. Cuomo, 54, reveres her husband, former President Bill Clinton; he views Mr. Clinton as a mentor who helped him begin a career in politics, according to Cuomo friends and associates.

The focus on Mrs. Clinton among Mr. Cuomo’s advisers was apparent during the Democratic convention. At one point, a key adviser to the governor approached the Rev. Al Sharpton to ask him if he would support Mrs. Clinton were she to run in 2016, according to a prominent New York Democrat with direct knowledge of the conversation.

“They are totally trying to figure out what she would do,” said the Democrat, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid alienating Mr. Cuomo.

Another Democrat close to Mr. Cuomo said the situation was making the Cuomo camp cranky, in part because the governor, a skilled strategic thinker, did not like to be captive to others’ ambitions.

And a top fund-raiser for Mr. Cuomo put it this way: “He’s got a former first lady and former New York senator in his sandbox, and that’s a mess for him. He’s got to wait and see what Hillary will do.”

Mrs. Clinton, 64, served as a senator for eight years before resigning to become President Obama’s secretary of state.

Neither she nor Mr. Cuomo has signaled any plans for the 2016 election, and the governor says he is focused on his current job. (Mrs. Clinton is not expected to stay in her cabinet post if Mr. Obama wins a second term.) But the potential collision between them is gripping the political world in New York.

“In terms of the psychodrama of politics, it does not get any better than this,” the Democrat close to Mr. Cuomo said.

While Mr. Cuomo has deep affection for Mr. Clinton and calls him for advice, his relationship with Mrs. Clinton is less personal.

What is most vexing to those who want to see Mr. Cuomo run is that Mrs. Clinton, given her popularity in the party, can take her time deciding whether to make another bid for the presidency, essentially freezing the rest of the Democratic field.

Mr. Cuomo, in private conversations, has often been frank about his own prospective presidential candidacy. “First, I’ve got to figure out what Hillary is doing,” he says, according to an adviser.

A Cuomo spokesman denied that Mr. Cuomo had said any such thing and insisted that the governor was not positioning himself for a presidential run.

In the weeks leading up to the convention, Mr. Cuomo, who served as the nation’s housing secretary under President Clinton, turned down offers from old associates of his father, former Gov. Mario M. Cuomo, and former colleagues from the federal housing department to talk quietly about his presidential prospects, as other prominent Democrats, like Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland, began planting the seeds for possible candidacies, according to a close Cuomo adviser.

Among those yearning for a Cuomo presidential campaign in 2016, a divide has emerged: some suggest that if Mrs. Clinton ran, the governor’s loyalty to Mr. Clinton would prevent him from joining the field.

But others reject the notion that Mrs. Clinton poses a serious obstacle to Mr. Cuomo, saying she is enjoying a political honeymoon right now but still has many of the weaknesses that plagued her in the past, including a polarizing image.

By contrast, they say, Mr. Cuomo is a fresh face whom Democratic officials, donors and activists will naturally want to court — provided that he wins re-election in 2014, when Mrs. Clinton will most likely be out of a job in politics.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:37 AM   #76
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What's the over under on you guys forgetting about it by then?
I haven't forgot about the deal I made with sportsshrink however long ago.

Soon as Obama wins in November, he will never post in DC again.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:48 AM   #77
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So you're in? You want to do this thing?
Excuse my naivete, what's a signature for life bet?
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:50 AM   #78
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I haven't forgot about the deal I made with sportsshrink however long ago.

Soon as Obama wins in November, he will never post in DC again.
That's great. He'll be sending his cut and paste rwnj articles to every inbox of every person who frequents DC
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:51 AM   #79
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What's the over under on you guys forgetting about it by then?
Oh there's zero chance. Direckshun and I go way back.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:10 AM   #80
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Excuse my naivete, what's a signature for life bet?
If you make this bet and you lose, he owns the signature for your account, forever. He could change it to "I am almost always wrong" or "Direckshun is smarter than I am" or a picture celebrating Obama's win, or whatever else he wants, and it would be displayed under every post you make for people who haven't turned signatures off.

A lifetime signature bet is something I'd be reluctant to do even if I was fairly sure I would win the bet.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:10 AM   #81
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I don't see why not. You've made very specific predictions.

How about this: if unemployment is 8%-anything or worse by December 31st 2014, you get my signature for life. If it is 6%-anything or better by December 31st 2014, I get yours for life. If it is 7%-anything, we get each other's signatures for a year.

If that sounds good, we can put some icing in the cake with Obama's approval numbers.
That's a bad bet for mlyonsd unless Chiefshrink lets you out of the vote he has with you first. What good is the sig of a guy who never posts? Even if you claim you still have a chance to win that Chiefshrink bet, there's still a greater than zero chance that your sig will be worthless.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:16 AM   #82
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That's a bad bet for mlyonsd unless Chiefshrink lets you out of the vote he has with you first. What good is the sig of a guy who never posts? Even if you claim you still have a chance to win that Chiefshrink bet, there's still a greater than zero chance that your sig will be worthless.
Since their bet requires a 2nd Obama term, I don't think there's a conflict. I assume there's no action if Romney wins.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:16 AM   #83
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Excuse my naivete, what's a signature for life bet?
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If you make this bet and you lose, he owns the signature for your account, forever. He could change it to "I am almost always wrong" or "Direckshun is smarter than I am" or a picture celebrating Obama's win, or whatever else he wants, and it would be displayed under every post you make for people who haven't turned signatures off.
This.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:18 AM   #84
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Since their bet requires a 2nd Obama term, I don't think there's a conflict. I assume there's no action if Romney wins.
Ah, good point. I stand corrected.

But I agree with you that it's not a bet I'd make even if it was almost a sure thing.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:33 AM   #85
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But I agree with you that it's not a bet I'd make even if it was almost a sure thing.
I cant believe he wagered a DC Ban on Obama. A lifetime sig bet is just one step below that, but even though one might be reasonably confident in an Obama victory earlier this year, it never got above 60/40 in my mind until the conventions.
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This.
I always wondered about that. I thought it was userid names.

No, I'm not going to do a sig bet.

Keep working on it.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:04 PM   #87
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I always wondered about that. I thought it was userid names.

No, I'm not going to do a sig bet.

Keep working on it.
What are you willing to do?
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:20 PM   #88
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What are you willing to do?
I made a bet with dirk once for a case of beer. You'd have to rewrite the terms so they made sense though.
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I made a bet with dirk once for a case of beer. You'd have to rewrite the terms so they made sense though.
You pay up? If so, what'd you do? Ship it to him.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:36 PM   #90
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You pay up? If so, what'd you do? Ship it to him.
Of course I would have paid up if I had lost.
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