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Why I'm Struggling with the Idea of Voting for Romney

I'll say it -- I like him personally and I like him politically. I think he's smart and can be an effective leader. There are things I like about Obama, but things I dislike. As our deficit/debt balloons, I put increasing importance in reining it in.

But when the test comes, Republicans CONSISTENTLY ignore the deficit and instead focus their attention on social issues -- which are diametrically opposed to my positions on such issues.

This article well summarizes why I find it hard to vote for Romney. I'm still undecided, FWIW.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t2
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:23 AM   #2
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:26 AM   #3
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
I can, i've stated emphatically he was a major flip flopper from the beginning. He would have been better served in the other party.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:31 AM   #4
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I'll agree about liking the guy personally.

But even if I weren't unabashedly liberal, it's hard to like a guy's politics when, as you've said, he's clearly disingenuous and the major knock you've cited on Obama, the deficit, Romney has unclear plans towards and a party with a less than stellar track record on it.

The major reason I can think of clearly endorsing Romney over Obama if I were an independent, and again I'm definitely not, is that the Republican Party would bring the ball back under a Republican President. Under Obama, we're likely facing another four years of them taking it home.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:39 AM   #5
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If fiscal considerations are your primary concern, Amno, which candidate do you think will do a better job in that regard?
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:40 AM   #6
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Republicans rarely do anything but give lip service to social issues. I don't know how that can be a serious concern for you in a POTUS election. Let's look at a few of them:

1. Abortion - The only impact Romney would have on abortion is that he might get the chance to appoint a SCOTUS Justice or two who might tip the balance of the court and lead to a reversal of Roe v Wade. You have to be pretty pro-abortion to be concerned about letting the issue of abortion being returned to the states. There's not a chance that Massachusetts is going to ban abortions and it's pretty unlikely that more than a handful of states would ban them completely (although several would probably impose restrictions like parental notification or limits on how late in the term an abortion can take place).

2. Gays in the military - Romney could re-impose DADT, but I seriously doubt that he'd do it. By all accounts, repeal of DADT hasn't led to any significant problems.

3. Gay marriage - Romney will have no impact on this. We are not going to have a federal amendment banning it.

4. Marijuana - Obama hasn't been much of a states' rights advocate on this issue. Romney won't be any worse and conceivably could be better (but I doubt it).

5. General - Romney might cut government funding for things like abortions in the third world and fetal stem cell research, but given the need to trim/slash the budget anyway, shouldn't these things be among the first to go anyway?

I'm not on board with most of the social conservatism of the GOP, but that's never a consideration for me because the degree to which they do anything along these lines, it's pretty inconsequential anyway.

Your more legitimate concern is that the GOP won't really address the deficit as aggressively as they should. But given that taking a gamble on Romney is a far better bet than jumping back in bed with the Deficit-Exploder-in-Chief, I don't see why this fear should stand in your way.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:42 AM   #7
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
Again, we should compare the two candidates. I won't deny that Romney's positions have changed over time, but the same is true of Obama. And I'd argue that Obama's flip flops are at least as egregious and plentiful as Romney's.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:43 AM   #8
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I'll say it -- I like him personally and I like him politically. I think he's smart and can be an effective leader. There are things I like about Obama, but things I dislike. As our deficit/debt balloons, I put increasing importance in reining it in.

But when the test comes, Republicans CONSISTENTLY ignore the deficit and instead focus their attention on social issues -- which are diametrically opposed to my positions on such issues.

This article well summarizes why I find it hard to vote for Romney. I'm still undecided, FWIW.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t2
Churchhill stated, "If you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart, if you are not a conservative by the time your 40's hit you have no brain.

Amnorix my man you are in the stages of grief about Barry and liberalism in general and I would diagnose you at the end of the 'bargaining' stage beginning to enter the 'depression' stage(REALITY !) and hopefully your depressive stage will be a short stint and you will enter the 'acceptance' stage sooner than later.

And trust me you are not the only LIB in this forum going through these 'political stages of grief'
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:45 AM   #9
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If fiscal considerations are your primary concern, Amno, which candidate do you think will do a better job in that regard?
Definitely not the one who is insisting on more give aways to the top earners.
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Churchhill stated, "If you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart, if you are not a conservative by the time your 40's hit you have no brain.

Amnorix my man you are in the stages of grief about Barry and liberalism in general and I would diagnose you at the end of the 'bargaining' stage beginning to enter the 'depression' stage(REALITY !) and hopefully your depressive stage will be a short stint and you will enter the 'acceptance' stage sooner than later.

And trust me you are not the only LIB in this forum going through these 'political stages of grief'
Great. Now Amnorix will vote Obama for sure.

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Again, we should compare the two candidates. I won't deny that Romney's positions have changed over time, but the same is true of Obama. And I'd argue that Obama's flip flops are at least as egregious and plentiful as Romney's.
You are approaching pseudoshrink levels of dumbassery.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:55 AM   #12
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Churchhill stated, "If you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart, if you are not a conservative by the time your 40's hit you have no brain.

Amnorix my man you are in the stages of grief about Barry and liberalism in general and I would diagnose you at the end of the 'bargaining' stage beginning to enter the 'depression' stage(REALITY !) and hopefully your depressive stage will be a short stint and you will enter the 'acceptance' stage sooner than later.

And trust me you are not the only LIB in this forum going through these 'political stages of grief'


Don't take it personal, but the idea of voting the same guy you vote for doesn't exactly persuade me. Sorry.
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Great. Now Amnorix will vote Obama for sure.

Thanks, shrink.

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Again, we should compare the two candidates. I won't deny that Romney's positions have changed over time, but the same is true of Obama. And I'd argue that Obama's flip flops are at least as egregious and plentiful as Romney's.

You can argue Obama's "flip flops" on things like Guantanamo Bay, but I'd suggest it's more idealism colliding with reality once additional facts are discovered.

Romney has taken 180 degree turns for simple political expediencies sake. MULTIPLE times. Going from pro choice to anti abortion, going from RomneyCare to bucking ObamaCare to waffling on ObamaCare, the list is pretty endless. Seriously, there's no comparison.
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If fiscal considerations are your primary concern, Amno, which candidate do you think will do a better job in that regard?

It would help if Romney actually SAID something about deficits and the economy that was remotely realistic. So far I'm hearing absurd bullshit like cut taxes, reduce the deficit, don't touch military spending.

That's fundamentally impossible. It just is.
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