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Old 09-27-2012, 08:22 AM  
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Why I'm Struggling with the Idea of Voting for Romney

I'll say it -- I like him personally and I like him politically. I think he's smart and can be an effective leader. There are things I like about Obama, but things I dislike. As our deficit/debt balloons, I put increasing importance in reining it in.

But when the test comes, Republicans CONSISTENTLY ignore the deficit and instead focus their attention on social issues -- which are diametrically opposed to my positions on such issues.

This article well summarizes why I find it hard to vote for Romney. I'm still undecided, FWIW.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t2
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:16 PM   #46
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I'm with you on social issues, that is why I'm independent/libertarian. But all else aside, and focusing just on the economy, you would rather have it in the hands of a community manager, and not a high profile businessman?
I'm an independent as well.

First off, it wouldn't be in the "hands" of Romney, it's in the "hands" of the Congress. The POTUS plays a role in the laws but he's not a dictator.

Furthermore, I don't see how a "businessman" makes any difference, whatsoever. He can't hire and fire the Congress. He can't hire and fire Americans. It's not the type of "business" than can be run like a CEO runs a corporation.

Romney "might" have ideas as how to streamline government spending and run the country in a more efficient manner but if he does, we sure as hell haven't heard about it.

Now, contrast Romney with Ross Perot. Perot had a vision for streamlining government and a plan. He even bought network airtime to present his plan to the American people. He may have been a little "wacky" but one thing's for sure, he put his money where his mouth was.

Romney, despite enormous wealth, hasn't done anything even close. Furthermore, I don't think he has any passion to be POTUS (unlike the aforementioned Perot). He just sees it as another notch in his belt, at least from my POV.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:25 PM   #47
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This election is about one thing and one thing only: who is most likely to prevent us from going over the fiscal cliff... Nothing else.

Nobody is going to be arguing about forcing Catholic charities to buy birth control if we pass the fiscal event horizon like Greece has.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:37 PM   #48
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Romney "might" have ideas as how to streamline government spending and run the country in a more efficient manner but if he does, we sure as hell haven't heard about it.
We haven't seen it, either.

Obama has raised less money, yet has swamped Romney in ads. Obama's been far more efficient with his campaign cash than Romney has, it's not even close. I think Romney pays his staffers twice as much, also.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:26 PM   #49
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
Thats how you say him talk about the 47% to the rich, talk about Romney care in from of mine workers. Says a blind trust is just a bookeeping ruse, then later I didnt know about that.

For abortion, gay rights and now zilch etc.etc.

Romeny seems like a boring but good guy, he does walk the walk with his religion. But being a nice guy doesnt make you a good president.

I was less worried about a Romeny presidency cause I knew he would flip flop and compromise with the Dems and fight the tea party but he gave me nothing to work with against Obama. A $5 trillion tax cut weighted towards the rich. $2 trillion in increased military spending with no details on how he's going to pay for it?
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:32 PM   #50
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would rather have it in the hands of a community manager, and not a high profile businessman?
See my thread on Oboma facts of record for that community manager.

As far as the high profile business manager......that experience is not germane to being President. We don;t need "businessman" to harvest companies and sell off the parts.

Hit the news cycle today:

Mitt Romney said that one of the goals of his private equity firm, Bain Capital, was to acquire companies and “harvest them at a significant profit,” according to a video from 1985 uncovered by Mother Jones magazine.
The video was part of a CD-ROM from 1998 that Bain used to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the firm.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:48 PM   #51
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I'm an independent as well.

First off, it wouldn't be in the "hands" of Romney, it's in the "hands" of the Congress. The POTUS plays a role in the laws but he's not a dictator.

Furthermore, I don't see how a "businessman" makes any difference, whatsoever. He can't hire and fire the Congress. He can't hire and fire Americans. It's not the type of "business" than can be run like a CEO runs a corporation.

Romney "might" have ideas as how to streamline government spending and run the country in a more efficient manner but if he does, we sure as hell haven't heard about it.

Now, contrast Romney with Ross Perot. Perot had a vision for streamlining government and a plan. He even bought network airtime to present his plan to the American people. He may have been a little "wacky" but one thing's for sure, he put his money where his mouth was.

Romney, despite enormous wealth, hasn't done anything even close. Furthermore, I don't think he has any passion to be POTUS (unlike the aforementioned Perot). He just sees it as another notch in his belt, at least from my POV.
I'm an independent too. I like Romney. I've never really liked any candidate before, Republican or Democrat. I think he'll be an effective leader. He's just not a good politician.

I don't think he's a flip flopper. Frankly, I think as a business guy, he knows that it's more important to have a flexible stance than to bully your opposition into taking your position. That's the leadership that drove me crazy about Bush and drives me crazy about Obama.

I disagree that this is a notch in the belt for Romney. What I like about him is that I think he's a really super competitive guy, and his motivation is actually to stroke his ego by proving he can do this job well. Whether you disagree with him or not, it's hard to deny that he's an extremely driven guy.

It does drive me crazy that he keeps shooting himself in the foot. I don't think he's nearly as dumb as people think he is. I just think he's a bad politician and I sense that he despises that he has to pander the way he does to win elections.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:51 PM   #52
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I don't think the line on Romney, at least from the liberal camp I swim in, is that he's dumb.

It's that he's a disingenuous elitist, who's given his campaign and rhetoric away to regressive reactionaries.

Most liberals understand and appreciate his intelligence.

And I think a lot of liberals believe him to be a good person, just with shit political views. Not most, but many.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:14 PM   #53
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I don't think the line on Romney, at least from the liberal camp I swim in, is that he's dumb.

It's that he's a disingenuous elitist, who's given his campaign and rhetoric away to regressive reactionaries.

Most liberals understand and appreciate his intelligence.

And I think a lot of liberals believe him to be a good person, just with shit political views. Not most, but many.
A charlatan with no political compass whatsoever, which is odd given that I suspect from what I know....that he does possess intellect and a good moral compass. Honestly, I just think he thinks he SHOULD be President--so if selling out and pandering are the price for getting elected--so be it.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:40 PM   #54
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My issue isn't that Republicans ignore the deficit, they increase it. Romney still hasn't proven that he has any plan for attacking the deficit, which is the number 1 thing hindering economic growth. He has yet to explain how he is going to implement his 5-Point plan, which makes his plan useless. I just hope that if Obama wins reelection, Scalia and Kennedy wait to retire. I hate Obamacare, but I am 90% confident that whatever Romney came up with would be just as bad. If Romney weren't saying Repeal and Replace, I'd like him a lot more.
You're a ****ing moron. How is the deficit hindering economic growth?
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:12 PM   #55
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I don't think the line on Romney, at least from the liberal camp I swim in, is that he's dumb.

It's that he's a disingenuous elitist, who's given his campaign and rhetoric away to regressive reactionaries.

Most liberals understand and appreciate his intelligence.

And I think a lot of liberals believe him to be a good person, just with shit political views. Not most, but many.
They're all disingenuous elitists.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:13 PM   #56
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They're all disingenuous elitists.
Oh come on now, I heard Michelle Obama say Barry was struggling with us.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:14 PM   #57
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Oh come on now, I heard Michelle Obama say Barry was struggling with us.
Did she put her sammich down first or did she just talk with her mouth full?
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:15 PM   #58
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Did she put her sammich down first or did she just talk with her mouth full?
Is there a way to tell?
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They're all disingenuous elitists.
Fair point.
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