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View Poll Results: Which ones are okay with you?
Drone strikes even with colleteral damage 8 53.33%
Drone and special forces invade soverign nations without permission to go after Al-Quaeda 9 60.00%
Continuing rendition 7 46.67%
Killing an American without a trial if they publically help Al-Quaeda 7 46.67%
Not closing GITMO 9 60.00%
The enemy of my enemy is my friend when going after terriosts 8 53.33%
All of these acts should'nt be allowed 3 20.00%
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:13 PM  
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Morality vs. Practical Reality. Where do you draw the line?

President Obama has used drones to kill suspected terrorists. There has been colleteral damage, innocent women and kids killed.

President Obama has launched attacks with Special forces on the ground and with drones into soverign nations without their permission. Basically invading those countries.

President Obama has ordered the execution of an American who wasnt convicted in a court of law but was clearly and publically helping Al-Quaeda. He authorized the mission that killed him.

He has allowed the CIA to continue the practice of rendition and didn't close GITMO.

We are "friends" with former terriost and current scumbags all over the world because they are anti Al-Quaeda.

So, the poll is does any of this bother you? It's a public poll, vote for any or all.

Since 9/11 my answer is totally different now.

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Old 09-27-2012, 08:14 AM   #31
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It wouldn't surprise me if a mistake has been made in the past, but it also wouldn't surprise me if the right guy claimed to be the wrong guy after emerging from one of these deals. I don't remember the specific incident to which you refer.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:23 AM   #32
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That article suggests that there is some dispute about whether that was a rendition or a deportation. In any event, it looks like an innocent man had a pretty experience in Syria.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:24 AM   #33
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His son wasn't specifically targeted, so he doesn't fall into this category.
The category of American killed by a drone stroke? Is it ok because we weren't aiming for him?
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:31 AM   #34
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What's the difference between a drone strike on an American breaking our laws over seas or here? If a group of Americans, who were terrorist sympathizers was found in a shack in Nevada would you support a drone strike on them? A drone strike killing Americans is a drone strike killing Americans no matter where or what the charge. There should be no place for it.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:47 AM   #35
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The category of American killed by a drone stroke? Is it ok because we weren't aiming for him?
Yes, exactly. Here's the description of the category:

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President Obama has ordered the execution of an American who wasnt convicted in a court of law but was clearly and publically helping Al-Quaeda. He authorized the mission that killed him.
Obama didn't order the execution of the son. The son wasn't on the kill list. From the wikipedia page you linked:

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Two U.S. officials stated the intended target of the October 14 airstrike was Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian believed to be a senior operative in al-Qaeda's Yemen affiliate. However, another U.S. administration official described Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki as a bystander who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time". This U.S. administration official stated that "the U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki’s son was there" before the order to launch the missile was given.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:51 AM   #36
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What's the difference between a drone strike on an American breaking our laws over seas or here? If a group of Americans, who were terrorist sympathizers was found in a shack in Nevada would you support a drone strike on them? A drone strike killing Americans is a drone strike killing Americans no matter where or what the charge. There should be no place for it.
The difference is that it's our own soil and that collateral damage would be our own people and property. Under extreme conditions, e.g. we've been overrun by foreign forces and we're fighting a war on our own soil, my answer would be different, but under today's conditions, we don't need drone strikes to take out known terrorists on our own soil. We can just send a SWAT team or some other special tactics team in to either capture or kill the guy. We use drones in places like Yemen because we don't have free run of the country and an abundance of personnel on the ground to make use of it.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:53 PM   #37
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I'm only OK with instances of "enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend." Everything else is unconscionable, and makes up a significant part of why Barack Obama lost my vote a long time ago.
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Just get the **** out of there already.

No reason to be over there fighting US-backed boogeymen. This is a complete giant waste of money, time, and innocent blood being spilled.
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Killing an American? In all fairness, in what context?
The born in America Islamic Al-Quaeda guru for the Ft. Hood shooter and the underwear bomber, Anwar al-Awlaki.

He has called for the destruction of America. Helped plan attacks on the homeland. He was the Al-Qaeda internet wunderkind for recruiting english speaking people in the world.

I saw no need to capture him and bring his back to the USA for a public trial for treason. All that would do was give him a platform to be a martyr.

You publically take up arms against America, help those plan and kill americans, you are now an enemy of the USA regardless of where you were born. And you need to be killed before you kill more Americans.
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Finally voted. I couldn't bring myself to vote for executing an American without trial.

I'm just not willing to give the government that kind of unchecked power. Executing an American without trial is pretty damned close to murder and I don't want to think about how far that power could be extended.
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Finally voted. I couldn't bring myself to vote for executing an American without trial.

I'm just not willing to give the government that kind of unchecked power. Executing an American without trial is pretty damned close to murder and I don't want to think about how far that power could be extended.
It is a damn slippery path that's for sure. But in this instance, I think it was warranted.

You pick up a gun or build a bomb and use it against America, I have no problem with the Seals or a drone taking you off the battlefield.
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