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Old 09-28-2012, 05:55 PM  
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What makes you a Democrat?

For you liberals out there...what do you think it means to be a democrat and/or why do you vote democrat?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:13 PM   #106
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:14 PM   #107
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A fetus is not a person until it is born.
I don't agree with that. If you do an ultra sound after a certain amount of time you can clearly see the fetus has a heart beat. How is that not a person?

Another argument:
Why do states have laws where people can be charged with murder if they punch a mother in the stomach and the fetus dies?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:16 PM   #108
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Then call it a civil union to allow those rights to everyone.
A civil union isn't sufficient for the overwhelming majority of gays. If you're really interested in why, I'd suggest you spend some time in the gay community to learn their view.

They won't bite.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:20 PM   #109
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A civil union isn't sufficient for the overwhelming majority of gays. If you're really interested in why, I'd suggest you spend some time in the gay community to learn their view.

They won't bite.
You make it seem like I'm homophobic i'm not.

I'm against discrimination but this isn't a clear cut issue. Yes gays are being discriminated against when it comes to marriage however I don't believe the government should have to force churches to marry gays.

Take the word marriage out and give all of the same benefits to gay couples as straight couples. I highly doubt people will bitch that much since they will finally be able to visit their lover in the hospital etc.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:24 PM   #110
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50% because I agree with typical Democrat policies, 50% because Rs are freaking nuts--ideologues, religious nuts, anti-science, etc.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:29 PM   #111
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Someone has to stop the Republicans from accelerating the Reagonomic redistribution of wealth upwards or the middle class will erode faster. Dems are the only game in town who can possibly counter Republican genuflection to the corporate elite. Might be too late.... "Citizens" United may have already sealed our fate.

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Old 09-29-2012, 10:29 PM   #112
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A civil union isn't sufficient for the overwhelming majority of gays. If you're really interested in why, I'd suggest you spend some time in the gay community to learn their view.

They won't bite.
Here's my view. The concept of marriage is a religious institution. The govt benefits and rights associated with it are a legal issue. Nobody should be denied the government benefits associated with a union, which I believe marriage to be with a religious twist. Here's the stickler, if they want to be accepted by the church and have their marriage accepted by the church, then they must follow the churchs rules.

To me government dictating to religion is just as bad as religion dictating to government.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:30 PM   #113
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A civil union isn't sufficient for the overwhelming majority of gays. If you're really interested in why, I'd suggest you spend some time in the gay community to learn their view.

They won't bite.
Are you gay?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:34 PM   #114
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Are you gay?
What bearing does that have?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:38 PM   #115
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What bearing does that have?
Are you gay?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:42 PM   #116
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Are you gay?
No I'm not. However, judging by your questioning you are trying to use that as a basis to establish my credibility.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:43 PM   #117
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No I'm not. However, judging by your questioning you are trying to use that as a basis to establish my credibility.
yes thats it. credibility
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:45 PM   #118
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yes thats it. credibility
Then please answer my previous question of what bearing that has in the discussion.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:45 PM   #119
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You make it seem like I'm homophobic i'm not.
I wasn't implying that at all. My apologies if that's the way you read it.

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I'm against discrimination but this isn't a clear cut issue. Yes gays are being discriminated against when it comes to marriage however I don't believe the government should have to force churches to marry gays.
Well, I'm at a disadvantage here because in Los Angeles, I've never heard of a church turning away gays or gays that would like to marry. Everyone's accepted. At my daughter's preschool, there are four gay dad couples with six children (two sets of twins and two individuals). They're just dudes to me.

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Take the word marriage out and give all of the same benefits to gay couples as straight couples. I highly doubt people will bitch that much since they will finally be able to visit their lover in the hospital etc.
I disagree because once again, it doesn't appear to be "equal". Look Dude, I learned a long time ago to respect gays and lesbians and their need for equal rights. It's not an argument that's worth having with a hetero that hasn't had the same "exposure", for lack of a better word.

For example, my wife and I (before marriage) lived in an apartment building in West Hollywood for nearly four years in which we were the only hetero couple. I had some of the coolest neighbors ever. And I totally get their POV and have their backs. They just want to be happy and being married will make a large segment of the gay & lesbian population happy.

Live and let live.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:50 PM   #120
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You make it seem like I'm homophobic i'm not.

I'm against discrimination but this isn't a clear cut issue. Yes gays are being discriminated against when it comes to marriage however I don't believe the government should have to force churches to marry gays.

Take the word marriage out and give all of the same benefits to gay couples as straight couples. I highly doubt people will bitch that much since they will finally be able to visit their lover in the hospital etc.
States issue marriage licenses. Not churches. Marriage is a state sanctioned event. Churches only perform a ceremony, for various reasons. It is not required to be legally married only in a church.

My point is this. Churches do not define who legally marries or not. The state does. Churches do not have a right to stranglehold marriage based on the use of the word. And anyone who believes they do. Is.A.****ing.Idiot!
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