Chiefs Who would you want as our next HC: Billick, Cowher or Gruden? - Page 6

John_Wayne · 10-02-2012, 11:54 AM

I heard this being discussed on the radio today. Yes, I would like a new HC for next season. I never was sold on Crennel. My pick would be, and always has been, Cowher. My close second choice woudl be Gruden. But, I would be OK with Billick.

Would you have a problem with any of these three guys being HC and GM? Supposedly, Cowher would probably want to wear the GM hat too.

Obviously, if you choose "other" please state who and why.

Sorter · 10-02-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What has Chud ever done that makes him worthy of a head coaching position?

Helped Cam Newton, who nearly everyone and their mother thought was going to have a horrible rookie season have a wonderful season that revitalized Steve Smith's career.

Plenty of head coaches aren't selected because they are necessarily "worthy". Philbin wasn't "worthy". He didn't even call plays. However, he seems like a quality head coach in the making.

Rausch · 10-02-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

If I have learned anything over the years, its that past success does not necessarily mean anything. A prime example is bringing ***** in as GM. It was what everyone wanted and we see where that has gotten the team.

This franchise lacks a quality...its a culture of winning and a refusal to accept anything other than success. This club has suffered from culture of losing for way too long. They have failed to do anything substantial since Joe Montana, in spite of Marty and I think that says something.

Today, in this QB driven league, it's even more so. The coaches/GM need to recognize this and make the moves to bring in the talent. If they cannot or will not do that, they need to be replaced.

This franchise has no identity.

There is no blueprint.

Every time we change HC's or GM's it's like we build 1/3 of a house and when it doesn't look right we hire a completely different crew and switch from a ranch style to colonial.

We jump on whatever bandwagon has won last.

Winning franchises don't do that. Pitt knows what they want to be and they hire HC's and sign/draft players to fit that.

The ****ing owner needs a vision of what HE wants and then needs to hire the best people to make that vision work...

DaWolf · 10-02-2012, 04:43 PM

Chin. Provides toughness, stability, has developed a franchise QB, and is a guy players want to play for. Billick could never develop an offense in BMore and hasn't shown the ability to develop a franchise QB. Gruden is notorious for telling guys one thing and doing another, and for collecting old vets and also has never developed a young franchise QB. I could live with Gruden but I doubt he would succeed as much as Chin...

CaliforniaChief · 10-02-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This franchise has no identity.

There is no blueprint.

Every time we change HC's or GM's it's like we build 1/3 of a house and when it doesn't look right we hire a completely different crew and switch from a ranch style to colonial.

We jump on whatever bandwagon has won last.

Winning franchises don't do that. Pitt knows what they want to be and they hire HC's and sign/draft players to fit that.

The ****ing owner needs a vision of what HE wants and then needs to hire the best people to make that vision work...

Well said. We need to be the trend-setters. That's why neither Billick, Cowher, or Gruden can be the point man moving forward.

Chiefnj2 · 10-02-2012, 04:46 PM

Pick a GM first and then worry about the coach. Beware of retread hired guns.

Dave · 10-02-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

has developed a franchise QB, .

He has nothing, NOTHING to do with developing Ben.

Nothing.

htismaqe · 10-02-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Lightning does not strike twice.

This.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 10-02-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Helped Cam Newton, who nearly everyone and their mother thought was going to have a horrible rookie season have a wonderful season that revitalized Steve Smith's career.

I attribute Cam's season last year to Warren Moon, not Chud. Furthermore, Newton has definitely taken a step backward this year (which isn't surprising).

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Plenty of head coaches aren't selected because they are necessarily "worthy". Philbin wasn't "worthy". He didn't even call plays. However, he seems like a quality head coach in the making.

Philbin's 51 years old. He's spent 28 years coaching, most of the past decade in Green Bay, one of the most successful franchises in the league.

Chud has about half that experience and his only stops as OC's have been average at best. I just don't see anything about his resume that screams "Head Coach".

He'd be better of going back to Miami or some other high level college program, thus proving he's worthy of a gig.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 10-02-2012, 05:01 PM

Why would anyone advocate hiring a guy that hasn't coached in five years or more?

Dave · 10-02-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why would anyone advocate hiring a guy that hasn't coached in five years or more?

And there's another strike against these guys.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-02-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

While I agree that the hate for Trent is ridiculous, I've just seen zero evidence that a super bowl winning retread possesses the full commitment to take a new team to the promise land.

This is how I feel too.

Hire a good GM. Hire a head coach under that GM that's not going to be so powerful that he wants supreme control over personnel decisions.

I think young guys have a hell of a lot more fire and there are a lot of real good ones who can run a quality team if you give them the chance.

For example, a Jay Gruden. Or Mike Miller of Arizona (has a very nice resume). Hell, a few guys on the 49ers staff -- love that team, because they are so technically proficient. Fangio or what about John Morton (kind of like this guy. Seems like a real fiery guy)?

I just don't want to get stuck on stale candidates that get discussed every year. Go for an up and comer.

Dave Lane · 10-02-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Because he would restore the brand of football that defines KC.

Mediocre but steady?

PRIEST · 10-02-2012, 05:20 PM

Out of the list Gruden .

chiefzilla1501 · 10-02-2012, 05:34 PM

Here you go. Here's a guy with some fire and he's coaching one hell of a defense in Seattle right now. Watch Gus Bradley's tirade in the middle.

JoeyChuckles · 10-02-2012, 07:18 PM

Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.

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10-02-2012, 11:54 AM
John_Wayne MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NE Kansas Casino cash: $29076	Who would you want as our next HC: Billick, Cowher or Gruden? I heard this being discussed on the radio today. Yes, I would like a new HC for next season. I never was sold on Crennel. My pick would be, and always has been, Cowher. My close second choice woudl be Gruden. But, I would be OK with Billick. Would you have a problem with any of these three guys being HC and GM? Supposedly, Cowher would probably want to wear the GM hat too. Obviously, if you choose "other" please state who and why.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $49543	Chin. Provides toughness, stability, has developed a franchise QB, and is a guy players want to play for. Billick could never develop an offense in BMore and hasn't shown the ability to develop a franchise QB. Gruden is notorious for telling guys one thing and doing another, and for collecting old vets and also has never developed a young franchise QB. I could live with Gruden but I doubt he would succeed as much as Chin...
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10-02-2012, 07:18 PM	#90
JoeyChuckles It's my first day... Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South KC Casino cash: $73637	Football is currently in an offense first style. This replaced the defense first style of the early 2000's. Therefore, we need an offense first coach.
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