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Old 10-02-2012, 07:12 AM  
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Obama's waiver for DREAMers would stay put under Romney.

Amnesty! Amnesty!

In all seriousness, a pleasing piece of moderation from what's seemed up to this point to be a hard-right campaign.

It's unlikely Romney wins this election anyway, but I hope this is the start of the GOP slowly untethering itself from its hardest base on immigration issues.

A man can dream, amiright. (No pun intended.)

http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpo...have-temporary

Mitt Romney would allow waivers to children of illegal immigrants
By Allison Sherry
Posted: 10/01/2012 09:44:11 PM MDT

Young illegal immigrants who receive temporary work permits to stay in the United States under an executive order issued by President Barack Obama would not be deported under a Mitt Romney administration, the GOP presidential hopeful told The Denver Post Monday.

"The people who have received the special visa that the president has put in place, which is a two-year visa, should expect that the visa would continue to be valid. I'm not going to take something that they've purchased," Romney said. "Before those visas have expired we will have the full immigration reform plan that I've proposed."

In June, Obama issued an executive order that will allow the so-called "dreamers" — kids who were brought here by their illegal immigrant parents when they were young — a temporary reprieve from deportation if they stay out of trouble and meet certain requirements such as graduating from a U.S. high school.

The Obama administration has sharply criticized Romney's earlier ideas for immigration reform, which have called for all citizens living in the U.S. illegally to self-deport.

Romney said in a sit-down interview with The Post aboard his campaign bus ahead of a Denver rally that he would work with Congress in the first year to pass permanent immigration reform legislation.

He didn't furnish specifics on that plan, but has said in previous interviews that students who served in the military may get a path to citizenship.

"I actually will propose a piece of legislation which will reform our immigration system to improve legal immigration so people don't have to hire lawyers to figure out how to get here legally," Romney said. "The president promised in his first year, his highest priority, that he would reform immigration and he didn't. And I will."

Obama's order mirrors the "DREAM" Act, which has been dead on arrival in every Congress that's tried to pass it. It was blocked by Senate Republicans two years ago.

Romney also was hazy about the future of Colorado's medical marijuana industry, which reaps more than $5 million a year in state sales taxes, saying his administration would enforce federal drug laws, that prohibit marijuana for any use.

"I oppose marijuana being used for recreational purposes and I believe the federal law should prohibit the recreational use of marijuana," he said.

Romney will spend Tuesday holed up preparing for the first presidential debate Wednesday at the University of Denver. He said he was looking forward to sharing a stage with the president to clear up distortions of the last few months.

"I think what's going to happen in this debate is each of us will get the opportunity to describe our pathway forward for America," Romney said. "And for the last several weeks and months, the president has dramatically distorted my own views. I look forward to the debate so people will understand what I actually believe."

Romney said he knew not everyone was going to agree with him after Wednesday's face-off.

"Do they want to continue with the status quo, which has lead to a circumstance where we now have three years where each year the rate of growth in our economy has slowed," he said. "The policies of the past are not working."

After the interview, Romney delivered an economic speech to a crowd of roughly 6,000 at the Wings Over the Rockies air and space museum in Denver's Lowry neighborhood.

The Obama campaign dismissed Romney's speech by arguing his plan would ease taxes on the wealthy and raise taxes for the middle class, a claim Romney disputes.

"The economy is not in recovery," Romney said to a lively crowd packed in an old hanger full of old airplanes. "We're not seeing a real recovery. The president's policies have not worked."

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Old 10-02-2012, 08:09 AM   #16
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Romney wouldn't care after the election. Obama would have already tried to get votes with the amnesty anyway. Once the voting is done who cares.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:58 AM   #17
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So you agree that Obama is circumventing the legislative process?
No. And I don't believe an executive order was even needed here.

The agency that runs the deportation process obviously has a finite number of resources. As with any job with more stuff to do than people to do it, priorities have to be set. And it was decided that resources would not be used to process and deport the people meeting the criterea (brought here as a child, etc.) That doesn't require legislative action. It is within the discretion of the agency and the president.
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:02 AM   #18
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No. And I don't believe an executive order was even needed here.

The agency that runs the deportation process obviously has a finite number of resources. As with any job with more stuff to do than people to do it, priorities have to be set. And it was decided that resources would not be used to process and deport the people meeting the criterea (brought here as a child, etc.) That doesn't require legislative action. It is within the discretion of the agency and the president.
They aren't just using the immigration equivalent of prosecutorial discretion here. They're actually diverting these scarce resources to process waivers.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:03 AM   #19
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Yes, it stands in a pool of it's own blood.
No, you shifted your point. My point wasn't even addressed.

You were commenting on the merits of Romney upholding the waiver. When I chided you about those merits, you immediately said the merits don't matter because the process is all wrong.

Well the process may be all wrong but that doesn't mean you're not ass-backwards on the issue.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:04 AM   #20
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This isn't true. An executive order is a directive to the executive branch from the President about how to carry out the powers authorized by either Congress or the Constitution. At times, such as this one, there are questions about whether such orders are actually in compliance with the law, but it's certainly not a part of the definition. The most usual case where an executive order appears to conflict with a law passed by Congress is when the POTUS believes that Congress has improperly imposed upon his Constitutional powers.
Historically that's what it is.

In modern history, the executive order has been used extensively to skirt around Congress.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:57 AM   #21
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No, you shifted your point. My point wasn't even addressed.

You were commenting on the merits of Romney upholding the waiver. When I chided you about those merits, you immediately said the merits don't matter because the process is all wrong.

Well the process may be all wrong but that doesn't mean you're not ass-backwards on the issue.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. I haven't changed my position. The merits of what Obama did are for the legislature to decide, not for Obama or Romney. The merits of honoring VISAs that have already been issued after luring the applicants into ancompromised position are completely different.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:02 PM   #22
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As much as this program shouldn't have been started to begin with, the government shouldn't reneg on it's commitment just because Romney takes over at the helm.
So I'm assuming your on board with Obamacare now. I do like your principles stands.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:12 PM   #23
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So I'm assuming your on board with Obamacare now. I do like your principles stands.
No, as usual you don't understand. The problem with reneging on Obama's VISAs is that these people who are illegal exposed themselves for potential deportation in order to get them. and there's no reason to continue granting VISAs. None of that is similar to the case of Obamacare.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:32 PM   #24
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No, as usual you don't understand. The problem with reneging on Obama's VISAs is that these people who are illegal exposed themselves for potential deportation in order to get them. and there's no reason to continue granting VISAs. None of that is similar to the case of Obamacare.
So the got exposed to possible jail time, get out of jail free card.

You got cancer, have no insurance and need treatment. **** off and die?
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So the got exposed to possible jail time, get out of jail free card.

You got cancer, have no insurance and need treatment. **** off and die?
You're really bad at this.
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But designating people who had no say in coming here as children, lived here all their lives and stayed within the law as threats to our law and order = not shitty in the least.
They have drained our resources by consuming public resources, including education, that law abiding citizens paid for. So we're to reward them because they behaved? SHouldn't their be some kind of a financial consequence?

And I'm sorry, but why do these guys get to the front of the line? I've gone to school with absolutely brilliant out-of-towners. They followed all the rules and got booted from the country because they couldn't find an employer willing to offer a visa.

I'm not naive, so I know some form of amnesty is necessary. But sorry, a free pass for good behavior is not it.
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So the got exposed to possible jail time, get out of jail free card.

You got cancer, have no insurance and need treatment. **** off and die?
What are you talking about? Are you under the impression that Obamacare was the beginning of the era of medicine?
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What are you talking about? Are you under the impression that Obamacare was the beginning of the era of medicine?
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As much as this program shouldn't have been started to begin with, the government shouldn't reneg on it's commitment just because Romney takes over at the helm.
If I understand your views correctly, you think Obamacare shouldnt have been started in the first place, correct?

If the rest of your statement in the post is true, then you should be advocating for romeny to continue obamacare, correct?

Seems apples to apples to me.
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If I understand your views correctly, you think Obamacare shouldnt have been started in the first place, correct?
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If the rest of your statement in the post is true, then you should be advocating for romeny to continue obamacare, correct?

Seems apples to apples to me.
No. I've already explained why they aren't both apples the first time you tried this angle.
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