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**** Monsanto and the GMO Industry.

After a nearly 10 month hiatus from CP... I present you with my latest tinfoil-conspiracy-kook bitch session.

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A recent peer-reviewed study on the effects of routine exposure to "safe" levels of Monsanto's GM corn and the chemical herbicide Roundup have revealed that the two toxins are directly linked to causing cancerous tumors. Since this is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, it is noted that nearly every female rat in the study also developed mammary cancer.

This study, which was published in the highly-reputable journal Food and Chemical Toxicology, showed how rats fed a diet containing Monsanto's NK603 Roundup-resistant GM corn, which is widely cultivated in the U.S. today, died much earlier than GM-free control rats. Even rats fed just GM corn that had not been treated with Roundup ended up developing multiple ghastly tumors, indicating that some component of GM corn itself, apart from Roundup, is responsible for causing cancer.

It's fundamentally challenging for "Real" science in a world increasingly dominated by corporate influence.



http://research.sustainablefoodtrust.org/

Russia nows bans GMO corn. And in America, we can't even LABEL the GMO foods.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-...ds-on-monsanto
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:55 PM   #2
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After a nearly 10 month hiatus from CP... I present you with my latest tinfoil-conspiracy-kook bitch session.

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A recent peer-reviewed study on the effects of routine exposure to "safe" levels of Monsanto's GM corn and the chemical herbicide Roundup have revealed that the two toxins are directly linked to causing cancerous tumors. Since this is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, it is noted that nearly every female rat in the study also developed mammary cancer.

This study, which was published in the highly-reputable journal Food and Chemical Toxicology, showed how rats fed a diet containing Monsanto's NK603 Roundup-resistant GM corn, which is widely cultivated in the U.S. today, died much earlier than GM-free control rats. Even rats fed just GM corn that had not been treated with Roundup ended up developing multiple ghastly tumors, indicating that some component of GM corn itself, apart from Roundup, is responsible for causing cancer.

It's fundamentally challenging for "Real" science in a world increasingly dominated by corporate influence.



http://research.sustainablefoodtrust.org/

Russia nows bans GMO corn. And in America, we can't even LABEL the GMO foods.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-...ds-on-monsanto
It's ironic we have to put the igredients and such on all of our food lables but we can't label GMO.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:58 PM   #3
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Roundup will not be used forever.

Already on its way out for some.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:01 PM   #4
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It's ironic we have to put the igredients and such on all of our food lables but we can't label GMO.

It's not that ironic. Not when this shit happens.

Obama Puts Monsanto Lobbyist In Charge Of Food Safety
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=210835
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:22 PM   #5
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People don't give a rats ass about this. Here at CP you are a paranoid hippie if you don't take in your toxins like a man.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:23 PM   #6
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Since this happened to every rat in this study, it must happen to every human who eats corn right?
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:38 PM   #7
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Since this happened to every rat in this study, it must happen to every human who eats corn right?
Just eat your GMO foods and already.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:41 PM   #8
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GM foods are perfectly fine. Including herbicide into GM foods is not fine at all. It's sad that so many people can't make the distinction, and blur the issue with stuff like this.

GM foods have actually saved millions of lives in the grand scheme of things. But "GM foods" or "GM Corn" covers a huge diversity of products some good some bad, which is never pointed out by these "Studies". "GM Foods" does not mean radioactive mutation type of things like many people think, and many articles would lead you to believe.

Monsanto is certainly an evil corporation for many corporation reasons, but the overwhelming majority of the GM foods they provide are perfectly safe for human consumption.

Herbicide modified corn is very likely bad. But that's not an accurate representation of GM Foods or the GM Industry. Currently just about every single local supermarket uses perfectly safe GM Foods. Including such particulars as Whole Foods..

Don't hate the overwhelmingly positive value of GM Foods as a whole because of an individual shitty strain. Hate Monsanto, but don't hate GM Foods.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:48 PM   #9
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tragically flawed study. the animal model they use are prone to tumors REGARDLESS of what they are fed--but, believe what you want to. you will regardless of what is said. just do me a favor and get teller's autograph for me, eh?

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People don't give a rats ass about this. Here at CP you are a paranoid hippie if you don't take in your toxins like a man.
Some actual solid scientific studies could go a long way in getting people to accept some truth. Here's an idea, control the experiment group significantly better and some of these confounding variables will go away.
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GM foods are perfectly fine. Including herbicide into GM foods is not fine at all. It's sad that so many people can't make the distinction, and blur the issue with stuff like this.

GM foods have actually saved millions of lives in the grand scheme of things. But "GM foods" or "GM Corn" covers a huge diversity of products some good some bad, which is never pointed out by these "Studies". "GM Foods" does not mean radioactive mutation type of things like many people think, and many articles would lead you to believe.

Monsanto is certainly an evil corporation for many corporation reasons, but the overwhelming majority of the GM foods they provide are perfectly safe for human consumption.

Herbicide modified corn is very likely bad. But that's not an accurate representation of GM Foods or the GM Industry. Currently just about every single local supermarket uses perfectly safe GM Foods. Including such particulars as Whole Foods..

Don't hate the overwhelmingly positive value of GM Foods as a whole because of an individual shitty strain. Hate Monsanto, but don't hate GM Foods.
All we ask is for it to be labeled, then those that don't mind eating something not naturally found can have at it and those that don't won't.
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In the video, they stated that the rats that got the GMO food without the herbicide got a slightly lower percentage of cancer... What's worse, 7 bullets shot into your body or 5 bullets? lol

In theory, GM without Herbicide, could be better... the problem still remains that Monsanto spends millions of dollars lobbying for there be NO labeling of these products... I want to know how shitty, the shitty food is that I'm eating.

gmfoodvid from Sustainable Food Trust on Vimeo.

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Study linking GM maize to cancer must be taken seriously by regulators

Friday, 28 September 2012 21:34

Study linking GM maize to cancer must be taken seriously by regulators
John Vidal
The Guardian, 28 September 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...m-maize-cancer

*Trial suggesting a GM maize strain causes cancer has attracted a torrent of abuse, but it cannot be swept under the carpet

Professor Gilles-Eric SÚralini, professor of molecular biology at Caen university in France, knows how to inflame the GM industry and its friends. For seven years he and his team have questioned the safety standards applied to varieties of GM maize and tried to re-analyse industry-funded studies presented to governments.

The GM industry has traditionally reacted furiously and personally. SÚralini has been widely insulted and smeared and last year, in some desperation, he sued Marc Fellous, president of the French Association of Plant Biotechnology, for defamation, and won (although he was only awarded a nominal €1 in damages).

But last week, Seralini brought the whole scientific and corporate establishment crashing down on his head. In a peer-reviewed US journal, Food and Chemical Toxicology, he reported the results of a €3.2m study. Fed a diet of Monsanto's Roundup-tolerant GM maize NK603 for two years, or exposed to Roundup over the same period, rats developed higher levels of cancers and died earlier than controls. SÚralini suggested that the results could be explained by the endocrine-disrupting effects of Roundup, and overexpression of the transgene in the GMO.

This was scientific dynamite. It was the first time that maize containing these specific genes had been tested on rats over two years - nearly their full lifespan - as opposed to the 90-day trials demanded by regulators. Around a dozen long-term studies of different GM crops have failed to find similar effects. SÚralini's study also looked at the toxicity of the Roundup herbicide when fed directly to rats.

If the study stood up, then the consistent arguments of the industry that its GM maize is safe might be fatally undermined, with immense political, financial and social consequences.

But barely had the paper surfaced than it was attracting heavyweight academic criticism.

Commentators variously claimed the study to be "biased", "poorly performed", "bogus", "fraudulent", "sub-standard", "sloppy agenda-based science", "inadequate", and "unsatisfactory". SÚralini was said to have "sought harm" for the rats, the experiment was dismissed as "inhumane" and the research group was called "partisan". France was outed as "the most anti-science country in anti-science Europe" and vociferous GM supporters such as Mark Lynas urged people to sign a petition demanding full disclosure of the data (only a few hundred have).

Meanwhile, GM opponents were said to be the "climate skeptics of the left", SÚralini and his scientists were labelled "crafty activists" and "anti-science" and the group that funded the study was accused of "polluting science communication" by asking for an embargo on the paper.

SÚralini and the other authors of the study responded that they were surprised at the "violence" of their critics.

But it was a triumph for the scientific and corporate establishment which has used similar tactics to crush other scientists like Arpad Pusztai of the Rowett Institute in Scotland, who was sacked after his research suggested GM potatoes damaged the stomach lining and immune system of rats, and David Quist and Ignacio Chapela, who studied the flow of genes from illegally planted GM maize to Mexican wild maize. But now that the dust is settling, let's look at some of the criticisms and Seralini's responses.

"This is not an innocent scientific publication. The study was designed to produce exactly what was observed," said Dr Bruce Chassy, professor emeritus of food science at the University of Illinois, who has worked as a consultant for GM companies and has been a member of the US Food and Drug Administration's Food Advisory Council which is fully behind GM.

"This study appears to be without scientific merit," said Martina Newell-McGloughlin, director of the International Biotechnology Program at the University of California/Davis, which has close links to Monsanto and other GM companies.

"Although this paper has been published in a peer–reviewed journal with an [Impact Factor] of about 3, there are anomalies throughout the paper that normally should have been corrected or resolved through the peer-review process," said Maurice Moloney, InsChief Executive of Rothamsted Research.

"The control group is inadequate to make any deduction," said Anthony Trewavas, prominent champion of GM food and a former member of the governing council of Britain's leading plant biotech research organisation, the John Innes Centre.

"We have to ask whether a diet with this level of maize is normal for rats. Another control with an alternative diet should have been included," said Dr Wendy Harwood, senior scientist at the John Innes Centre.

Monsanto was dismissive: "This study does not meet minimum acceptable standards for this type of scientific research, the findings are not supported by the data presented, and the conclusions are not relevant for the purpose of safety assessment."

Here are the criticisms in a nutshell and SÚralini's responses:

1. The French researchers were accused of using the Sprague Dawley rat strain which is said to be prone to developing cancers. In response SÚralini and his team say these are the same rats as used by Monsanto in the 90-day trials which it used to get authorisation for its maize. This strain of rat has been used in most animal feeding trials to evaluate the safety of GM foods, and their results have long been used by the biotech industry to secure approval to market GM products.

2. The sample size of rats was said to be too small. SÚralini responded that six is the OECD recommended protocol for GM food safety toxicology studies and he had based his study on the toxicity part of OECD protocol no. 453. This states that for a cancer trial you need a minimum of 50 animals of each sex per test group but for a toxicity trial a minimum of 10 per sex suffices. Monsanto used 20 rats of each sex per group in its feeding trials but only analysed 10, the same number as SÚralini.

3. No data was given about the rats' food intake. Seralini says the rats were allowed to eat as much food as they liked.

4. SÚralini has not released the raw data from the trial. In response he says he won't release it until the data underpinning Monsanto's authorisation of NK603 in Europe is also made public.

5. His funding was provided by an anti-biotechnology organisation whose scientific board SÚralini heads. But he counters that almost all GM research is funded by corporates or by pro-biotech institutions.

So where does that leave the public?

Despite the concerns over SÚralini's methodological flaws, it looks as though the study will not be swept under the carpet. It is the longest study done on this variety of maize and many argue that it must be taken seriously by regulators and governments. French health and safety authorities now plan to investigate NK603 and the study's findings and the European Food Safety Agency has said it will assess the research. SÚralini is now demanding that all the data be assessed by an independent international committee, arguing that experts involved in the authorisation of the maize should not be involved.

Equally, the study reopens questions about the regulation of GM crops. There has long been concern that these foods have been evaluated poorly and that the companies have taken advantage of lax regulation. The GM industry, which keeps its own research secret, has resisted investigation or any change.

In fact, there is one irony that a few scientists have pointed out but who have been drowned out in the furore. SÚralini's study was not so much about the dangers of GM technology, but the toxicity of the Roundup herbicide used on the crops. Here's Ottoline Leyser, associate director of the Sainsbury Laboratory, University of Cambridge:

"Like most of the GM debate, this work has very little to do with GM. The authors of the paper do not suggest that the effects are caused by genetic modification. They describe effects of the roundup herbicide itself and effects that they attribute to the activity of the enzyme introduced into the roundup resistant maize. There is good evidence that introducing genes into crops using GM techniques results in fewer changes to the crops than introducing them using conventional breeding."

There are some rather obvious similarities between the sort of accusations made against scientists who have carried our research non-favourable to the GM industry and the behaviour so brilliantly outlined last week in the Observer by Ben Goldacre about how the pharmaceutical industry twists and distorts science for its ends, including the use of whispering campaigns and misinformation about individual scientists whose conclusions are not 'helpful' to the industry.

Of course one study does not prove anything and Seralini is not a wholly disinterested scientist, but it is very disturbing the way in which the GM industry has worked so hard to essentially hijack the scientific establishment - its hard to find a major lab now in agricultural science in any university which isn't partly or wholly dependent on industry money.

When we have a situation where even the most scientifically literate lay people find it difficult to come to any conclusions because of the manner in which the science is politicized and distorted, we have a huge problem. Its difficult to avoid the conclusion that this confusion is quite deliberate and works to the clear advantage of the GM industry. This is an old playbook from the days of Big Tobacco twisting and distorting science for its end, and carried on by the pharma and agriculture industries. Anti-GM activists don't help matters by distorting science for headlines themselves, but its hard to blame them when you see the giant imbalance of resources and money involved.

http://www.gmwatch.org/latest-listin...-by-regulators
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All we ask is for it to be labeled, then those that don't mind eating something not naturally found can have at it and those that don't won't.
Well it's interesting that you say that. Because Monsanto GM Foods go through the most labelization and federal regulation of any foods available. Ironically, they go through much more labeling and regulation than "Organic" labeled food by far.

And the truth of the matter, you have no ****ing clue what you're eating. Or where it's been, or what it's been sprayed with or touched by. You rely 100% on a federal regulation system that you know absolutely nothing about. If you actually knew what had rubbed up against the food you eat, or crawled over, or shit on, you would probably vomit. But the regulation system you criticize prevents you from a large majority of the issues that would normally incur with the involvement of food processing.
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Well it's interesting that you say that. Because Monsanto GM Foods go through the most labelization and federal regulation of any foods available. Ironically, they go through much more labeling and regulation than "Organic" labeled food by far.

And the truth of the matter, you have no ****ing clue what you're eating. Or where it's been, or what it's been sprayed with or touched by. You rely 100% on a federal regulation system that you know absolutely nothing about. If you actually knew what had rubbed up against the food you eat, or crawled over, or shit on, you would probably vomit. But the regulation system you criticize prevents you from a large majority of the issues that would normally incur with the involvement of food processing.
I'm not worried about the bugs, etc I want to know what has been Genetically tampered with. Should be fairly simple and then we can let the people cast their votes with their wallets. Those on the side of GMO are mostly wal martians.
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