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**** Monsanto and the GMO Industry.

After a nearly 10 month hiatus from CP... I present you with my latest tinfoil-conspiracy-kook bitch session.

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A recent peer-reviewed study on the effects of routine exposure to "safe" levels of Monsanto's GM corn and the chemical herbicide Roundup have revealed that the two toxins are directly linked to causing cancerous tumors. Since this is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, it is noted that nearly every female rat in the study also developed mammary cancer.

This study, which was published in the highly-reputable journal Food and Chemical Toxicology, showed how rats fed a diet containing Monsanto's NK603 Roundup-resistant GM corn, which is widely cultivated in the U.S. today, died much earlier than GM-free control rats. Even rats fed just GM corn that had not been treated with Roundup ended up developing multiple ghastly tumors, indicating that some component of GM corn itself, apart from Roundup, is responsible for causing cancer.

It's fundamentally challenging for "Real" science in a world increasingly dominated by corporate influence.



http://research.sustainablefoodtrust.org/

Russia nows bans GMO corn. And in America, we can't even LABEL the GMO foods.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-...ds-on-monsanto
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:58 PM   #16
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In the video, they stated that the rats that got the GMO food without the herbicide got a slightly lower percentage of cancer... What's worse, 7 bullets shot into your body or 5 bullets? lol

In theory, GM without Herbicide, could be better... the problem still remains that Monsanto spends millions of dollars lobbying for there be NO labeling of these products... I want to know how shitty, the shitty food is that I'm eating.
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it was concluded that around 50% of the males and 70% of the females died prematurely as a result of eating only Roundup tolerant seed or drinking water with Roundup as approved levels set by the United States government. In comparison, only 30% of males and 20% of females died prematurely while consuming traditional alternatives.

Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/gmo-study-...#ixzz28CzlN633
That's the actual wording. And this entire study has been questioned repeatedly about how many rat subjects were used, along with other experiment information. They haven't released any additional info, and that's brought quite a bit of criticism. Some say their control population was less than 10...

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Experts not involved in the study were sceptical, with one accusing the French scientists of going on a "statistical fishing trip" and others describing its methods as well below standard.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1897361.html
Any additional info on test parameters or control testing?
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:59 PM   #17
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I'm not worried about the bugs, etc I want to know what has been Genetically tampered with. Should be fairly simple and then we can let the people cast their votes with their wallets. Those on the side of GMO are mostly wal martians.
do you know what a gene really is? do you know what a promotor is? how about an enhancer? intron? exon? splicing site? adenine? guanine? thymine? purines? pyrimidines? the different types of polymerases?

I'm not trying to be insulting here, but there are certain times that your lack of knowledge of the basic levels of genetics absolutely astounds me. you cry from the rooftops about how they're out to get you, but you don't understand the basic biology of what you're complaining about. I know it's easy to wear a tin-foil hat, but do yourself and all of us a favor and gain a bit of knowledge on the subjects you try to deride--it's AMAZING how, with a bit of knowledge, 99% of the concerns you raise go right away because you aren't ignorant anymore.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:00 PM   #18
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That's the actual wording. And this entire study has been questioned repeatedly about how many rat subjects were used, along with other experiment information. They haven't released any additional info, and that's brought quite a bit of criticism. Some say their control population was less than 10...



Any additional info on test parameters or control testing?
dude, did you completely miss the link I posted? old news, man. old news.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:02 PM   #19
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I'm not worried about the bugs, etc I want to know what has been Genetically tampered with. Should be fairly simple and then we can let the people cast their votes with their wallets. Those on the side of GMO are mostly wal martians.
Which shows that you have no idea what is actually harmful to mainstream food.

"Genetic tampering" is exactly the kind of ignorant buzzword term I'm talking about. You have no idea what it means to even cast a knowledgable vote.
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do you know what a gene really is? do you know what a promotor is? how about an enhancer? intron? exon? splicing site? adenine? guanine? thymine? purines? pyrimidines? the different types of polymerases?

I'm not trying to be insulting here, but there are certain times that your lack of knowledge of the basic levels of genetics absolutely astounds me. you cry from the rooftops about how they're out to get you, but you don't understand the basic biology of what you're complaining about. I know it's easy to wear a tin-foil hat, but do yourself and all of us a favor and gain a bit of knowledge on the subjects you try to deride--it's AMAZING how, with a bit of knowledge, 99% of the concerns you raise go right away because you aren't ignorant anymore.
I find it repulsive that we have to create new types of food when the old ones are fine. Changing one gene can have greater affect than what we can measure. I know I don't want to be a guinea pig for these money hungry bastards who could honestly care less what impact they will have as long as the dollars are flowing.
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dude, did you completely miss the link I posted? old news, man. old news.
Sorry, you were correct the first time. I have no idea why I would try to make it any clear.
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Which shows that you have no idea what is actually harmful to mainstream food.

"Genetic tampering" is exactly the kind of ignorant buzzword term I'm talking about. You have no idea what it means to even cast a knowledgable vote.
I forgot you still think we're evolving, the more we learn the less we know and quite frankly the dumber as a society we get. Yes I love the tech gadgets and some things I agree with, but we should be ever so careful about affecting changes that relate to our very existence.
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tragically flawed study. the animal model they use are prone to tumors REGARDLESS of what they are fed--but, believe what you want to. you will regardless of what is said. just do me a favor and get teller's autograph for me, eh?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensa...-flawed-study/
Holy shit, forgive me for missing this earlier...

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I know that ad hominem attacks arenít valid, but I canít resist pointing out that Seraliniís co-author, Joel de Vendomois, is a homeopath, with a ďHomeopathy and Acupuncture DiplomaĒ, a double dose of quackery in a single degree. Seralini has also published a book about the supposed dangers of GMOs, and he and de Vendomois are the lead scientists at CRIIGEN, an organization devoted to lobbying against GMOs. Of course, even if Seralini and de Vendomois are bad scientists, and even if they have a strong bias, their paper isnít necessarily wrong. Itís wrong simply because the science is wrong.

Letís be clear about the science here. Genetic modification of foods is a powerful technology that can be incredibly beneficial. The recent development of salmon that can grow faster is an example: these salmon (developed by a company called AquaBounty) will make fish farming more efficient, and thereby help preserve the perilously endangered wild fish species in our oceans. On the other hand, GM technology can be used, as Monsanto has done, simply to allow farmers to use more pesticides, which doesnít seem to benefit anyone other than the pesticide producers. Itís unfortunate that Monsantoís behavior has been used as an excuse to give all GMOs a bad name.

Now we have a bad study done by anti-GMO scientists who have allowed their political agenda to trump their scientific judgment. What a mess.
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I find it repulsive that we have to create new types of food when the old ones are fine. Changing one gene can have greater affect than what we can measure. I know I don't want to be a guinea pig for these money hungry bastards who could honestly care less what impact they will have as long as the dollars are flowing.
ORLY? What new types of food are we creating exactly?
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GMOs are a must for a variety of reasons. If you don't like it, start a garden, but the seeds you buy are most likely genetically modified too.
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What exactly are GMOs and why should they be labeled?

(NaturalNews) GMOs (genetically modified organisms) were brought into the world by a chemical company, not an agriculture or food group. Monsanto created DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, marketed aspartame, and created bovine growth hormone (rBGH) to infect milking cows that put pus into commercial milk.

GMOs are created within the seeds of chosen parent crops in laboratories by "splicing" genes from completely unrelated species into those seeds. Normal plant hybrids are cultivated in soil over time by cross pollinating closely related plants.

So far, GMOs have invaded soy, corn, beets (for beet sugar), cotton, and alfalfa agriculture. Many GMO edibles are contained surreptitiously in a wide variety of processed foods, while GMO corn and soy are used by unnatural factory farm feed lots.

If you've been following NaturalNews for some time, you may recall several articles describing GMOs' inherent human and animal health hazards as well as crop and environmental dangers. If not, you'll find most of them here. (http://www.naturalnews.com/GMO.html)

GMOs damage crops, the environment, and the food chain
GMOs are often genetically created artificially to tolerate herbicides, made by Monsanto and others, that kill weeds. The herbicides contain glyphosates. Monsanto's Roundup weed killer is meant for Roundup Ready GMO crop seeds. It's an extremely toxic glyphosate agent.

Glyphosates greatly harm grazing animals and pollute the wells and groundwater of farm areas where they're used. (http://naturalsociety.com)

They create sterility and birth defects among animals and humans. Most of the honey bee die-off, or colony collapse, is attributed to glyphosates. If enough pollinating bees disappear, our food chain is endangered further.

Glophosate's chelating capabilities remove minerals from the soil where they're sprayed. So crops get increasingly worse while increasingly abundant Roundup resistant weeds, or super weeds, force farmers to add more toxic materials to Roundup.

It's a vicious cycle for farmers who, conned by greater production promises, unwittingly signed on to Monsanto Roundup Ready GMO binding seed contracts. Monsanto uses patent laws to litigate against farmers whose non-GMO fields are contaminated by GMO fields, forcing smaller farms out of business.

Most farmers fold because they cannot afford the litigation. American farmers are attempting to organize against mostly Monsanto's GMOs. European farmers have managed to resist thus far.

Why you should be concerned
Maybe the reasons summarized above are too abstract. So let's get personal. Contrary to mainstream media's (MSM) outlook, the jury is not out on GMOs. GMOs do destroy human and animal health while endangering non-GMO crops with contamination. That's been discovered by several scientists acting independently.

They jeopardize their careers and even their lives by communicating what they find while the MSM ignores them. Anti-GMO activist and author Jeffrey Smith lists the casualties and summarizes Monsanto's harassment here: (http://www.sott.net)

Agro-ecologist Don Lotter, Ph.D. released an inside scoop when he stated:

The promoter gene used ... [the] cauliflower mosaic virus, ... [was assumed to be] denatured in our digestive system, but it's not. It has been shown to promote the transfer of transgenes from GM foods to the bacteria within our digestive system, which are responsible for 80 percent of our immune system function.

Read Lotter's interview here: (http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...icle_19468.cfm)

This from Wessex Natural Law research papers: The cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV 35S) used for plant genetic engineering is cited as a source of viral recombination as well as a gene silencer and DNA disruptor.

Forget petitioning the government. It's so corrupted that one of Monsanto's most ruthless executives, Michael Taylor, now serves in the Obama administration as FDA chief adviser, or "Food Czar."

That's why our only chance is to help California succeed with Proposition 37. GMO labeling may spill over from California making it easier to boycott GMOs. (http://www.kcet.org)

Sources for this article include:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lni6O...er_profilepage

http://www.naturalnews.com/031825_GMOs_threat.html

http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...icle_19468.cfm

http://rense.com/general33/fd.htm

http://www.gene.ch/info4action/2000/Feb/msg00028.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/033804_Sc...tack_GMOs.html

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/037245_GM...#ixzz28D4to3jl
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GMOs are a must for a variety of reasons. If you don't like it, start a garden, but the seeds you buy are most likely genetically modified too.
Or we could simply label it and everyone can make a choice.
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Or we could simply label it and everyone can make a choice.
I would be fine with that. I assume most vegetables I buy are genetically modified, and I really don't care. It's a better quality product.
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I would be fine with that. I assume most vegetables I buy are genetically modified, and I really don't care. It's a better quality product.
I disagree, taste an organically grown tomato for instance and then taste a GM one...the Organic Tomato has a much better taste whereas the GM Tomato tastes like water. This says nothing about possible health Implications.
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Or we could simply label it and everyone can make a choice.
GM inclusion is so widespread and accepted that labeling, or more importantly separating GM and non GM at the processing location is pretty much impossible at this point. I don't know how else to tell you, but most everything you eat is GM in some way. High Fructose Corn Syrup.. the basis shit ingredient for pretty much every processed food these days? What kind of corn do you think would make up this product? This product known for its cheap price and availability?

Literally everything you eat is GM in some manner.
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