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Old 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM  
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who won the presidential debate?

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:31 AM   #271
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Well, you weren't watching a lot of commentary following the Republican primary debates.
That's true, but I'm talking about last night. Romney's version of not letting the moderator deny him his right to respond was unobjectionable, IMO, and as far as I can tell from the commentary, that's the majority view.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:36 AM   #272
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The government is accumulating the wealth? What agency? Where is it?
You see anyone in Congress going broke?
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:37 AM   #273
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The government is accumulating the wealth? What agency? Where is it?
The IRS collects it (and the Treasury Department borrows an additional amount). The vast bureaucracy skims off a huge chunk of it. A large amount is given to a class of politically favored individuals and businesses (often campaign contributors). What's left trickles down to those in need.

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:41 AM   #274
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Stimulus money and such as the handouts to green contributors was more in the vein of a flood and cannot be looked at in the trickle category....
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:45 AM   #275
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The government. That's why he called it trickle down government.
I'm really surprised that banyon of all people did not understand your example. Instead of individuals or the private sector trickling down, the government will collect more from them and trickle it down as it see's fit... or that nasty word, redistribute.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:46 AM   #276
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What's trickling down? Who is accumulating the money at the top?

What accumulates at the top of "trickle down" government is far more perilous and frightening than money...











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Old 10-04-2012, 10:57 AM   #277
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I hate to refer to Obama as a Socialist or as a Communist because those are very inflammatory words, and the people you're trying to convince often stop listening when those words get thrown around.

However, it did occur to me while watching last night's debate that Obama TRULY believes that he has all the answers and that the best economy is a planned economy where he and like-minded people are the central planners.

That was the main difference between their answers regarding the role of government. Romney wants the government to get the hell out of the way so the private sector can create jobs. Obama says you can't trust the private sector and that you should trust him instead.

That's an awfully scary path to go down.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:59 AM   #278
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Why was he always looking down?
looking for the fuse coming out of his shoe perhaps?
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:02 AM   #279
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:27 AM   #280
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Al Gore has suggested that Romney had an advantage because he trained at high altitudes and Barack didn't. Seriously. He said that.

Scary to think he was almost president.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #281
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My only explanation for Obama's terrible performance is some combination of being wrong-footed by Romney's sudden turn to the middle and lack of practice/energy.

Also, Jim Lehrer couldn't control two 4-year olds arguing over a candy bar.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:56 AM   #282
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Al Gore has suggested that Romney had an advantage because he trained at high altitudes and Barack didn't. Seriously. He said that.

Scary to think he was almost president.

wut?
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:57 AM   #283
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My only explanation for Obama's terrible performance is some combination of being wrong-footed by Romney's sudden turn to the middle and lack of practice/energy.
This isn't necessarily directed at you, as I've heard it from a couple different people this morning, but I don't understand this. Do people really think Romney was ever more "right" than he appeared last night?

If Obama's staff didn't know Romney's true political tendencies, they all need fired.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:57 AM   #284
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I hate to refer to Obama as a Socialist or as a Communist because those are very inflammatory words, and the people you're trying to convince often stop listening when those words get thrown around.

However, it did occur to me while watching last night's debate that Obama TRULY believes that he has all the answers and that the best economy is a planned economy where he and like-minded people are the central planners.

That was the main difference between their answers regarding the role of government. Romney wants the government to get the hell out of the way so the private sector can create jobs. Obama says you can't trust the private sector and that you should trust him instead. Toss your EIB degree, for a Poli Sci 101 class. Seriously.

That's an awfully scary path to go down.
Any notion that our country is headed toward anything close to true central planning is apoplectic hyperole spewed by ignorant ideogues who don't actually understand what communism, socialism, and a true planned economy are, in real terms. Toss your EIB degree, go take a Poli Sci 101 class. Seriously.
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Al Gore has suggested that Romney had an advantage because he trained at high altitudes and Barack didn't. Seriously. He said that.

Scary to think he was almost president.


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