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Old 10-03-2012, 07:42 PM  
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who won the presidential debate?

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Old 10-04-2012, 11:01 AM   #286
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Al Gore has suggested that Romney had an advantage because he trained at high altitudes and Barack didn't. Seriously. He said that.

Scary to think he was almost president.
I heard that today.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:02 AM   #287
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This isn't necessarily directed at you, as I've heard it from a couple different people this morning, but I don't understand this. Do people really think Romney was ever more "right" than he appeared last night?

If Obama's staff didn't know Romney's true political tendencies, they all need fired.
He definitively campaigned much right-er than he debated last night.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:04 AM   #288
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He definitively campaigned much right-er than he debated last night.
It's true every election year: hard right/left during the primaries, veer back to the center for the general. Every election, nearly every candidate. And Americans don't really seem to care, either way.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:04 AM   #289
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This isn't necessarily directed at you, as I've heard it from a couple different people this morning, but I don't understand this. Do people really think Romney was ever more "right" than he appeared last night?

If Obama's staff didn't know Romney's true political tendencies, they all need fired.
They certainly should have known. After Romney touted his bipartisanship in MA, Obama should have responded by referencing "severely conservative R governor", 46th in job growth, and Etch-a-Sketch.

F**k, man. Some sort of quip like "There goes Mitt, trying to shake up the election by taking yet another position". Then tie him as beholden to the do nothing R Congress.

I just don't get it.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:05 AM   #290
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He definitively campaigned much right-er than he debated last night.
I hear you, but that is not what I asked.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:06 AM   #291
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My only explanation for Obama's terrible performance is some combination of being wrong-footed by Romney's sudden turn to the middle and lack of practice/energy.

Also, Jim Lehrer couldn't control two 4-year olds arguing over a candy bar.
Another lamenting the ref not stopping the fight when their guy is getting beat to death, to paraphrase Pat's spot-on analogy.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:09 AM   #292
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Another lamenting the ref not stopping the fight when their guy is getting beat to death, to paraphrase Pat's spot-on analogy.
Nah, Obama would have done similarly badly with a more competent moderator. He's overrated as a debater.
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Nah, Obama would have done similarly badly with a more competent moderator. He's overrated as a debater.
Fair answer, thanks.

obama is overrated period. That was man vs. boy last night. Romney would eat obama alive in the private business sector, would eat him alive in a foreign policy meeting, would eat him alive in any form of negotiation. Part of the skills Romney showed last night are the same skills used to build consensus, something obama will never be able to do. If obama wins it will be 4 more years of gridlock and stonewalling while all wait for obama to go.


Without his handlers and writers to prop him up obama looked like what he is last night: a puppet who is nothing without people to pull his strings for him.
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It's true every election year: hard right/left during the primaries, veer back to the center for the general. Every election, nearly every candidate. And Americans don't really seem to care, either way.
Absolutely. Obama did it as well.

Romney just went from far right to a pretty moderate position, and he did it less than a week before the debate.
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Absolutely. Obama did it as well.

Romney just went from far right to a pretty moderate position, and he did it less than a week before the debate.
I must have missed something. What positions did Romney alter last night?
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I hate to refer to Obama as a Socialist or as a Communist because those are very inflammatory words, and the people you're trying to convince often stop listening when those words get thrown around.

However, it did occur to me while watching last night's debate that Obama TRULY believes that he has all the answers and that the best economy is a planned economy where he and like-minded people are the central planners.

That was the main difference between their answers regarding the role of government. Romney wants the government to get the hell out of the way so the private sector can create jobs. Obama says you can't trust the private sector and that you should trust him instead.

That's an awfully scary path to go down.
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