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Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM  
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So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #16
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He should've been CUT after a season where he had 27 TDs and 7 INTs?

Here's another stiff who had 27-7 in his third year that maybe you would've cut:

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2003 San Diego 1111 356205 2,108 .576 11 15 68 21178 67.5
2004 San Diego 1515 400262 3,159 .655 27 7 79 18131 104.8



(Drew Brees)?!
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #17
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He should've been CUT after a season where he had 27 TDs and 7 INTs?

Here's another stiff who had 27-7 in his third year that maybe you would've cut:

2002 San Diego 1616 526320 3,284 .608 17 16 52 24180 76.9
2003 San Diego 1111 356205 2,108 .576 11 15 68 21178 67.5
2004 San Diego 1515 400262 3,159 .655 27 7 79 18131 104.8



(Drew Brees)?!
you came here to compare cassel to drew brees?

what the **** is wrong with pats fans?

why can't you simply admit that pioli and cassel are gigantic failures?
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #18
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and the pats fan show up....

Like I'm rare around here....?


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They have to defend everyone that was associated with their shitty franchise. It's in their DNA.

Nope, don't care that Pioli's job is in danger. I think his HC hiring decisions have been questionable and that four years is a fair shake. if the team is truly horrible -- say 5-11 or worse -- then the GM could definitely take the fall for that after four years.

I'm just wondering what the "answer" at QB is, since that seems to be the biggest strike against him.
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Man, I wish Bernard Pollard hadn't injured Brady... thus, giving Cassel his chance... SON OF A BITCH!!
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I don't exactly HATE Pioli, because I think we have a good team right now, but he should have cut Cassel after last season. That's what pisses me off most about him.
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you came here to compare cassel to drew brees?

what the **** is wrong with pats fans?
No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.

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why can't you simply admit that pioli and cassel are gigantic failures?

Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
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Man, I wish Bernard Pollard hadn't injured Brady... thus, giving Cassel his chance... SON OF A BITCH!!
i wish pollard had taken out their fan base...

and where is that one dumb pats fan who spent the last four years lecturing us for not understanding pioli's genious and cassel's awesomeness?

he never comes around anymore...weird
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No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.




Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
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If you had actually watched the games instead of looking at stats, you wouldn't be asking this question.

So you agree? The 27 TD, 7 INT guy should've been cut after his Pro Bowl season?

Wow. I admit I didn't watch the games, but I think that'd be a first in NFL history...
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No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.




Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
sanchez was obviously the right move, as 2 AFC championship games proves...he walked into your stadium and took a shit on your franchise

but feel free to compare his accomplishments to Cassel's...

and your comparison to brees is embarrassing...don't be that one dumb pats fan
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So you agree? The 27 TD, 7 INT guy should've been cut after his Pro Bowl season?

Wow. I admit I didn't watch the games, but I think that'd be a first in NFL history...
so, you admit to not knowing what the **** you're talking about...but you're here to lecture us anyways?

have you lived and died with every single snap of Cassel's for 3 and half years?

because if not, spare us your bullshit...
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Cassel probably wasn't the worst decision in the world. Clearly he put together a strong 2010 in terms of statistics. But when it's so clearly not working, pull the plug. Obviously the last 2 or 3 coaches and coordinators haven't believed in Cassel based on the leash imposed. Equally obvious is the direction from the top dog that he plays or else. I think that's the crux of the matter. Dude won't come off his $60,000,000 bet.

Yeah, that is a major problem IMHO. Not keeping Orton made no sense to me. Some might say he was worried about creating a QB controversy, and I get that, but if your QB doesn't have the confidence in himself to raise his play in the face of competition for the job, then he probably isn't the right guy anyway!

If Pioli intentionally engineered it as "Cassel or Moe, Larry or Curly", then that's a big strike against him IMHO. I have no idea what Orton was looking for, or what other backup options there were, but that would definitely not fly in my book if he did that on purpose.
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So you agree? The 27 TD, 7 INT guy should've been cut after his Pro Bowl season?
Jesus Christ, he was an ALTERNATE! PRO BOWLER MY ASS!
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I don't think you can put aside the Orton option if you're asking what really should have been done.

Not that he was the answer but it was clearly evident last year he was the better QB of the two.
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