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Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM  
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So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:34 PM   #181
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Cassel is a minor issue in my opinion of Pioli.

The real problem is, we thought we hired Da Vinci, and he keeps giving us Crayola paint-by-numbers replicas of the Mona Lisa to hang in the gallery.

Pioli doesn't know how to build a football team, he's just a guy that's seen it done. He hasn't taken what he's learned and tried to apply that knowledge to the curves he faces in his new situation. Instead, he's taken an inflexible straight line, regardless of where that takes the team.

He's failed in nearly every major decision he's made in KC. There are almost zero great GM moves, a lump of mediocre moves, and a crushing avalanche of terrible moves.

Pioli is a fraud.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:39 PM   #182
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Pioli drafts all of these supposed high character players, yet there are no team leaders and they've been blown out of so many games the last few years it isn't funny. Where is the pride and leadership?
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:39 PM   #183
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Pioli needs to take lessons from Mike Shanahan, without a franchise QB everything else is futile. By mid-season last year it was obvious Cassel was the wrong guy. Quinn should have been the starter the day he arrived.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:42 PM   #184
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Pioli needs to take lessons from Mike Shanahan, without a franchise QB everything else is futile. By mid-season last year it was obvious Cassel was the wrong guy. Quinn should have been the starter the day he arrived.
If Pioli had learned a lesson Quinn wouldn't have been the one to arrive in the first place.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:43 PM   #185
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Pioli needs to take lessons from Mike Shanahan, without a franchise QB everything else is futile. By mid-season last year it was obvious Cassel was the wrong guy. Quinn should have been the starter the day he arrived.
Yeah, but Shanarat also burned through guys like Griese, Jake the Snake, Grossman, and John Beck. Cutler and RG3 happened after he wasted time on those guys...
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:45 PM   #186
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And you guys called me crazy for wanting Shanahan.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:46 PM   #187
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Pioli drafts all of these supposed high character players, yet there are no team leaders and they've been blown out of so many games the last few years it isn't funny. Where is the pride and leadership?
His biggest downfall is not hiring a legit HC in two tries. You can argue that no "great" QB fell into his lap or was available for drafting, but he had plenty of real good coaching candidates available that would have provided this team with leadership and direction and probably the guts to bench Cassel when needed, and he didn't go out and get one either time...
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:46 PM   #188
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Brian Griese was an attempt at drafting a franchise QB.

The Broncos didn't have the ammo to get a QB with a high pick at the time.

Shanny > Belichick, and his record against that fraud is proof.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:48 PM   #189
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Yeah, but Shanarat also burned through guys like Griese, Jake the Snake, Grossman, and John Beck. Cutler and RG3 happened after he wasted time on those guys...
Key to your post is in bold. did any of those guys start 4 years for Denver? Maybe Plummer?
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:50 PM   #190
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"So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?"

Try. Simple as that.

The crime is not picking the right guy. It's the unwillingness to take a chance to find out.
I don't know if trying is enough. You can argue he tried with Cassel and failed. If he tries with Landry Jones in the upcoming draft for example, I don't think many people will find that acceptable...
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:50 PM   #191
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Key to your post is in bold. did any of those guys start 4 years for Denver? Maybe Plummer?
Griese and Plummer both started for 4 years.
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Key to your post is in bold. did any of those guys start 4 years for Denver? Maybe Plummer?
1999-2005 before he drafted Cutler. 4 years of Griese and a little less than 4 years of Plummer before Cutler hit the field...
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:55 PM   #193
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Brian Griese was an attempt at drafting a franchise QB.

The Broncos didn't have the ammo to get a QB with a high pick at the time.

Shanny > Belichick, and his record against that fraud is proof.
Shanny's record has shown that like Belichick, his success has come only when having an elite QB.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:56 PM   #194
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Brian Griese was an attempt at drafting a franchise QB.

The Broncos didn't have the ammo to get a QB with a high pick at the time.

Shanny > Belichick, and his record against that fraud is proof.
Shanahan's 5-4 vs. Belichick. You need to slow down there a bit trigger. Running around like a crazy person in every thread proclaiming Belichick a huge fraud is not intelligent. He is certainly one of the elite coaches in football.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:56 PM   #195
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Pioli not addressing the back up option better than he did in the off season was a major failure on his part. He gift wrapped Cassel as his starter since Manning rejected a visit to him. Cassel was his boy all the way, he wanted to look like a saint with Cassel and RC went along for the ride with him.

RC was all over wanting RG3, Manning, anybody but Cassel and yet Pioli drove the bus right off the cliff and brought in Brady Quinn. Now if Quinn lights it up, he can take credit for that too.

Stanzi has not had a chance to play, BTA he hasn't shown enough to beat out anybody. Tanney is on IR, but a long shot to even make camp next year with Cassel & or Quinn gone. Not addressing the QB issue is his failure.
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