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Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM  
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So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:57 PM   #196
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1) It was a no brainer to bring Cassel in here. He has been in the system, learning from the best. He had a decent first go for the Pats, too, and it's not like he had a pre season to get going, either.

2) The contract was a good move, it saved the team $$$.

3) Cassel failed miserably during the playoff game, then choked out the following season. At this point, Pioli should have been looking for a QB. Then came Kyle Orton.

4) Orton was an instant success for two reasons; He is better QB than Cassel by far, and he had a season of success with Josh McD.

5) One reason Orton had success so early here in KC is that he knows the system, having learned it from Josh.

So, ya, the Chiefs should have moved on from commitment to Cassel after last season & the playoff game revealed that, despite Cassel's seasons sitting behind Tom Brady plus having BB coach, he was equipped with what needed to be provided for him to thrive by last season and he tanked it miserably.

I think the move was good initially as this team lost 8 QB's during the previous 2 seasons before Pioli/Cassel. Cassel is sturdy, he brought stability continuity to the position sorely needed in KC and Bowe was a beneficiary.

I'm not gonna go into who may have been available or an upgrade -- no point since Pioli already cooked his goose with the Orton affair. We knew after this he was the one keeping Cassel on the field during all that fail. But, it needs to be said this type offense requires a specific type QB. Somebody who can stand in and fire away off the play action, not a scrambler.

Quinn is mobile, but he does stay put when he's got protection. If he can get his accuracy consistent, he's got a shot here imo.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:57 PM   #197
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Sounds like many (the rational ones anyway) fault Pioli more for not having a backup plan for a guy who obviously didn't have much of a track record, and most importantly sticking with the guy when the performance was unacceptable after a few years. In other words not owning up to it being a mistake when the evidence became pretty clear.

Which is all I was really asking. Those who thought I was trying to defend Pioli have it wrong. First, if I try I'm just going to piss everyone off (see this thread), second, Pili will succeed or fail on his own. I'm not here to convince anybody of anything. I thought getting Cassel wasn't that bad a move in 2009 given the other options available at the time, but it sounds like the real crime in the eyes of most was sticking to a failed plan.
You are missing the main source for why everyone is irate with Fat Scott.

He has stubbornly tried to create the so called "Patriots Way" in KC, while ignoring the most basic premise of the "Patriots Way" which is the fact it is built on having a great franchise QB (Tom Brady).

Fat Scott has also tried to create a North Korea-type organization where candy wrappers on the floor are a bigger priority than winning championships.

Fat Scott has been given 4 years in KC to implement his way... he has failed.

Obviously you are too saturated with Bill Belichick's semen to see the realities of the situation here.

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Old 10-09-2012, 09:03 PM   #198
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Shanny's record has shown that like Belichick, his success has come only when having an elite QB.
The Broncos were a very good team with Plummer.

42 wins in 4 years is nothing to scoff at.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:04 PM   #199
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The Broncos were a very good team with Plummer.

42 wins in 4 years is nothing to scoff at.
Thanks for your input Carl Peterson.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:04 PM   #200
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Pioli not addressing the back up option better than he did in the off season was a major failure on his part. He gift wrapped Cassel as his starter since Manning rejected a visit to him. Cassel was his boy all the way, he wanted to look like a saint with Cassel and RC went along for the ride with him.

RC was all over wanting RG3, Manning, anybody but Cassel and yet Pioli drove the bus right off the cliff and brought in Brady Quinn. Now if Quinn lights it up, he can take credit for that too.

Stanzi has not had a chance to play, BTA he hasn't shown enough to beat out anybody. Tanney is on IR, but a long shot to even make camp next year with Cassel & or Quinn gone. Not addressing the QB issue is his failure.
Here's the thing: I truly believe after listening to all the interviews during the offseason that Pioli actually thought that Stanzi was going to be able to take the next step and fight for the backup QB job this year and be ready to push Cassel if he faltered. He seemed to really believe in Stanzi.

Doesn't say much about his evaluation of QB's. Then again it puts us in prime position to go after three new QB's next year!
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:06 PM   #201
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The Broncos were a very good team with Plummer.

42 wins in 4 years is nothing to scoff at.
Fair. BB was 11-5 the yr he didn't have Brady. Granted it was a weak schedule but in the end I am not sure there is much of a difference. Neither has had any real "great coach" success without their elite QB. Shanny has either 0 or 1 playoff win without Elway right? Also not much in WAS to care about before RG3.

Either way, while I do also feel BB gets way too much credit, I just feel fraud is a little bit much.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:09 PM   #203
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At this point I'm one of the least homerish here. Most of you Casselhats are just happy with anything better than Cassel. Out here white knighting Russell Wilson, Tannehill, Mallett, and Jake freaking Plummer. Really now. If that's our goal just shoot all of us in the head now and get this over with.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:11 PM   #204
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At this point I'm one of the least homerish here. Most of you Casselhats are just happy with anything better than Cassel. Out here white knighting Russell Wilson, Tannehill, Mallett, and Jake freaking Plummer. Really now. If that's our goal just shoot all of us in the head now and get this over with.
People wanting Wilson was an overreaction to the lose to SEA. Who wants Jake Plummer? Not sure Tannehill is a bad situation.
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At this point I'm one of the least homerish here. Most of you Casselhats are just happy with anything better than Cassel. Out here white knighting Russell Wilson, Tannehill, Mallett, and Jake freaking Plummer. Really now. If that's our goal just shoot all of us in the head now and get this over with.
All the QB's you listed would be an upgrade over Cassel.

Jake Plummer who has been out of the league for 5 years would be an upgrade over Cassel.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:13 PM   #206
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People wanting Wilson was an overreaction to the lose to SEA. Who wants Jake Plummer? Not sure Tannehill is a bad situation.
I've watched Wilson make throws in the last few game that Matty could only dream about.
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I once compared Cassel to Plummer....sorry Jake.
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All the QB's you listed would be an upgrade over Cassel.

Jake Plummer who has been out of the league for 5 years would be an upgrade over Cassel.
There you go. The point is not to find a QB better than Cassel. The point is to find a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl. Period.
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I've watched Wilson make throws in the last few game that Matty could only dream about.
Plenty of QB's can. I think the goal here needs to be looking for a QB that could one day be a SB QB, not anybody in the world thats better than Cassel.
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