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Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM  
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So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:20 PM   #211
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There you go. The point is not to find a QB better than Cassel. The point is to find a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl. Period.
Yes that is an obvious statement.

Fat Scott had the opportunity to trade up for RGIII this past offseason and did not.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:40 PM   #212
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At this point I'm one of the least homerish here. Most of you Casselhats are just happy with anything better than Cassel. Out here white knighting Russell Wilson, Tannehill, Mallett, and Jake freaking Plummer. Really now. If that's our goal just shoot all of us in the head now and get this over with.
Tannehill is showing the stuff that Franchise QB's are made of, so he does not belong in this category.

It's early, but he's looking awfully good.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:49 PM   #213
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At this point I'm one of the least homerish here. Most of you Casselhats are just happy with anything better than Cassel. Out here white knighting Russell Wilson, Tannehill, Mallett, and Jake freaking Plummer. Really now. If that's our goal just shoot all of us in the head now and get this over with.
What's wrong with Tannehill? The guy looks decent for a rookie who may be getting rushed into it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:51 PM   #214
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What's wrong with Tannehill? The guy looks decent for a rookie who may be getting rushed into it.
And he's improving each week.

Furthermore, the guy doesn't have jack for receivers.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:01 PM   #215
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Tannehill is showing the stuff that Franchise QB's are made of, so he does not belong in this category.

It's early, but he's looking awfully good.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:03 PM   #216
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Yes that is an obvious statement.

Fat Scott had the opportunity to trade up for RGIII this past offseason and did not.
I'm no apologist for Pioli, but this is just a wrong statement.

The Chiefs did not have the bullets to compete with a Washington or Cleveland offer.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:04 PM   #217
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Jets D had Revis, so it's a much different one. Texans and Cardinals D's have been playing incredible.

If you want to rip on the stats of a guy in his 5th game fine, but he's shown a lot so far. Stats aren't telling any of his story. That offensive talent is garbage sans Bush.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:05 PM   #218
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He has a QB rating of 70.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:07 PM   #219
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He has a QB rating of 70.
He is talking about the new system "QBR."

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Old 10-09-2012, 10:08 PM   #220
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He is talking about the new system "QBR."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
Oh, okay. I haven't kept up.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:20 PM   #221
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Jets D had Revis, so it's a much different one. Texans and Cardinals D's have been playing incredible.

If you want to rip on the stats of a guy in his 5th game fine, but he's shown a lot so far. Stats aren't telling any of his story. That offensive talent is garbage sans Bush.
I don't see "awfully good" when I look at Tannehill play. Those stats don't look awfully good either. Too many hiccups to say what he is going to be.

Christian Ponder is a guy I like. He's playing some good ball in his second season.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:27 PM   #222
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Maybe that's a bit harsh. I feel like Tannehill's ceiling is Romo or Jay Cutler. Good but not THAT good. But he may very well prove me wrong. The Dolphins are such a trainwreck though.

But I'm the idiot who had concerns about RG III because he's going to run around too much and get his head bashed in. He has the potential to be a legend but he's not a linebacker like Cam Newton either. It's amazing to watch the guy run though, truly special, and he's got the arm to go with it. He just needs to stay on the field.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:30 PM   #223
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I'm no apologist for Pioli, but this is just a wrong statement.

The Chiefs did not have the bullets to compete with a Washington or Cleveland offer.
Yes, they did.

They should have traded their entire 2012 draft plus a first rounder in 2013 (and whatever else) to draft RGIII.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:33 PM   #224
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Maybe that's a bit harsh. I feel like Tannehill's ceiling is Romo or Jay Cutler. Good but not THAT good. But he may very well prove me wrong. The Dolphins are such a trainwreck though.
If that's Tannehill's ceiling, I'd take it in a heartbeat. You can easily win a Super Bowl with either of those guys when everything else is in place.

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But I'm the idiot who had concerns about RG III because he's going to run around too much and get his head bashed in. He has the potential to be a legend but he's not a linebacker like Cam Newton either. It's amazing to watch the guy run though, truly special, and he's got the arm to go with it. He just needs to stay on the field.
RGIII is a smart kid. He's playing behind an awful offensive line and a team that had no cap room (Thanks, Goodell!) to improve it but he'll figure it out. He's smarter than Vick and has guys to mentor him, like Steve Young.

He'll be fine.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:51 PM   #225
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There you go. The point is not to find a QB better than Cassel. The point is to find a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl. Period.
This. Which is why I shake my head at anyone pissed off at us not re-signing Orton. For goodness sake the guy didn't even want to battle for a starting job, he just wanted to go to Dallas and get paid to carry a clipboard. The goal is not to replace Cassel with someone slightly less mediocre. The goal is not to get someone to lead us to the playoffs and then get bounced in round one. I mean, we were what, the second winningest team of the 90's or something like that in the regular season, and what did that get us? Jack squat.

Average or slightly above average is not acceptable. I am not sitting here waiting to replace Cassel with the next average QB who will waste four more years of my fandom.

I agree with Dane. If trading three first rounders and some other picks would net you RGIII, you go do it, because the guy has the potential to be great...
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