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Old 10-10-2012, 08:01 PM  
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:17 AM   #16
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Of course it's about disenfranchisement of eligible voters! Ending voter fraud is a pretext for the disenfranchisement of poor, usually minority, voters who tend to vote Democrat.

Registration might be easy to fraud. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CURRENT LAW REFORM MOVEMENT IS DOING.
Yes, that is what it's doing. As you can clearly see, it's very easy to register fraudualenty. The whole defense you have been giving for not having to show ID at the polls, is that you have to show ID when you register. You've been proposing this as a foolproof system that negates the need for ID at the polls. That's clearly not true. As it is right now, I can very easily register under a different name than the one I'm currently registered under and vote more than once. So now what's your defense?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:17 AM   #17
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Yes. Does it say otherwise? You only need to provide proof of residence to register. SSN or Driver's license are NOT required to register. But keep pushing that falsehood.
No, you're filed into an "incomplete status" or "pending status" registration. If your state does allow you to vote with that status, you most likely have to prove with additional documentation your eligibility to vote. You can call your state's Secretary of State to find this information out instead of making it up.

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Old 10-11-2012, 09:22 AM   #18
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Yes, that is what it's doing. As you can clearly see, it's very easy to register fraudualenty. The whole defense you have been giving for not having to show ID at the polls, is that you have to show ID when you register. You've been proposing this as a foolproof system that negates the need for ID at the polls. That's clearly not true. As it is right now, I can very easily register under a different name than the one I'm currently registered under and vote more than once. So now what's your defense?
No, the current law reform movement is over in-person voting.

Do you know the basic facts of the controversy?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:28 AM   #19
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No, the current law reform movement is over in-person voting.

Do you know the basic facts of the controversy?
Of course I do. Don't be dense. Your defense for not requiring government issued ID during in person voting has been that you need it during registration. But this isn't true.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:32 AM   #20
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Of course I do. Don't be dense. Your defense for not requiring government issued ID during in person voting has been that you need it during registration. But this isn't true.
Like any ambulance-chasing shyster, his defense boils down to arguing over the meaning of the word "is".
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:36 AM   #21
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Of course I do. Don't be dense. Your defense for not requiring government issued ID during in person voting has been that you need it during registration. But this isn't true.
You have shown no grasp of either the controversy about the in-person ID laws or the difference between registering to vote and actually voting. I don't think you're qualified to comment with any credibility about this issue.

You post a video that demonstrates voting registration fraud. Do you want to tackle registration fraud? Or do you really just want to enact laws right before an election that unproportionately disenfranchise Democratic voters?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:38 AM   #22
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Like any ambulance-chasing shyster, his defense boils down to arguing over the meaning of the word "is".
I'm not a personal injury lawyer. I'm not even commenting on the wisdom of in-person voter ID laws, which I'm not exactly against.

I'm against the idea that "Y is fraud," therefore, "X is fraud" when there's a real difference between Y and X.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:38 AM   #23
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I just looked at Iowas process. You can register by mail and you can use either drivers lic number or SS number to register. With all the phoney SS numbers out there id bet its easy to slip through. And the lead time is 10 days so you know the verification process is less than complete
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:40 AM   #24
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I just looked at Iowas process. You can register by mail and you can use either drivers lic number or SS number to register. With all the phoney SS numbers out there id bet its easy to slip through. And the lead time is 10 days so you know the verification process is less than complete
So let's talk about voter registration fraud, then!

What's your solution for a fair voting registration system? A DNA database? Stricter penalties to disincentivize fraud? A year long waiting process so the bureaucratic system can check multiple forms of evidence for everyone that registers?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:48 AM   #25
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Or is there a reason the Republicans on this forum don't want to deal with voter registration fraud?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:52 AM   #26
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Oh no. Let's deal with it. I disagree with allowing 3rd party groups to have registration drives. As you can see from both Republicans now and Democrats, it leads to fraud. See, some of us have principles that aren't defined by party line.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:54 AM   #27
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Oh no. Let's deal with it. I disagree with allowing 3rd party groups to have registration drives. As you can see from both Republicans now and Democrats, it leads to fraud. See, some of us have principles that aren't defined by party line.
And your solution to dealing with it is to ban 3rd parties from doing registration drives? Leave it just to the parties?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:54 AM   #28
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You have shown no grasp of either the controversy about the in-person ID laws or the difference between registering to vote and actually voting. I don't think you're qualified to comment with any credibility about this issue.

You post a video that demonstrates voting registration fraud. Do you want to tackle registration fraud? Or do you really just want to enact laws right before an election that unproportionately disenfranchise Democratic voters?
I have no grasp? The MAJORITY of United States Citizens believe there should be voter ID laws. Whereas a majority of Democrats do not. The majority of Americans who believe voter ID laws should be passed (myself included) feel it is far too easy to vote fraudulantly. The democrats who don't want this passed, feel that it would be disenfranchising poor voters, because it would be waaaay to hard to get a state issued ID. Pretty much sums it up right? Next.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:58 AM   #29
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I have no grasp? The MAJORITY of United States Citizens believe there should be voter ID laws. Whereas a majority of Democrats do not. The majority of Americans who believe voter ID laws should be passed (myself included) feel it is far too easy to vote fraudulantly. The democrats who don't want this passed, feel that it would be disenfranchising poor voters, because it would be waaaay to hard to get a state issued ID. Pretty much sums it up right? Next.
I'm not saying you don't have a grasp. I'm saying that you have shown no grasp. Voter ID laws are fine if they are enacted in a fair process, but not in a bum-rush overhaul that ends up cutting out significant percentages of legal, American citizens from exercising one of the fundamental freedoms this country allegedly stands for.
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Of course it's about disenfranchisement of eligible voters! Ending voter fraud is a pretext for the disenfranchisement of poor, usually minority, voters who tend to vote Democrat.

"A subsequent United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.1% of the offenders were Black, 45.9% were White, and 2% were Other Races. Of the victims in those same crimes, 51% were White, 46.9% were Black, and 2.1% were Other Races. The report further noted that, "most murders are intraracial", with 86% of White murders committed by Whites, and 94% of Black murders committed by Blacks.[6] It should be noted that the document does not provide any details concerning what races or ethnicities are included in the designations "White", "Black", or "Other Races".'


So I guess this statistic proves that laws against homicide are enacted to discriminate against blacks, who tend to be Democrats, right?
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