Debate Bounce

[Great Expectations]

For those of you who closely follow the polls what kind of bounce did Romney get from the debate? What does that do to his chances of winning the general election?

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Surely you conservatives understand that Romney will govern from the middle. He will do whatever is popular. He will raise your taxes as part of a larger deal.

Not sure if this is a serious post. You dont actually believe this is a single issue race do you? And do you think republicans are hooked to a no tax increase? If we are going to control debt and deficits tax increases(revenue) has to happen tied to spending reductions.

Governing from the middle is how the system works. Obama/Reid/pelosi have demonstrated the failure of ignoring that fact. We need people who have the ability to get things done. The senate under Reid and with no leadership from Obama has stopped the process.

I think we all know what we are getting with Romney. No one knew with Obama. And we still have no clue what he plans to do to fix his mess other than 4 more years of debt, unemployment and disasterous foreign policy

[jiveturkey]

Hold on a sec; tax increases are going to be OK if Romney is elected???

Didn't the House shoot down a 10 (cuts) to 1 (tax increase) deficient reduction plan because it included tax increases?

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

And do you think republicans are hooked to a no tax increase?

Obviously not familiar with the Norquist Pledge.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jiveturkey

Hold on a sec; tax increases are going to be OK if Romney is elected???

Didn't the House shoot down a 10 (cuts) to 1 (tax increase) deficient reduction plan because it included tax increases?

Are you talking about a tax rate increase or a tax revenue increase?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Obviously not familiar with the Norquist Pledge.

Norquist isn't opposed to increased government revenues which will be a natural result of increased economic growth.

[jiveturkey]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Are you talking about a tax rate increase or a tax revenue increase?

My wallet doesn't see a difference if more money is exiting.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by jiveturkey

My wallet doesn't see a difference if more money is exiting.

If you go from unemployed to employed, you're paying more taxes, and your wallet is better off.

[jiveturkey]

Originally Posted by Saul Too

If you go from unemployed to employed, you're paying more taxes, and your wallet is better off.

So the plan is hopeful in nature?

Cut tax rates and hope more people get back to work.

What is the global economy continues to hold back our growth? Couldn't that lead to increases in the deficit?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jiveturkey

My wallet doesn't see a difference if more money is exiting.

Why would more money exit your wallet?

[jiveturkey]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

And do you think republicans are hooked to a no tax increase? If we are going to control debt and deficits tax increases(revenue) has to happen tied to spending reductions.

This is what I'm basing my argument on.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jiveturkey

So the plan is hopeful in nature?

Cut tax rates and hope more people get back to work.

What is the global economy continues to hold back our growth? Couldn't that lead to increases in the deficit?

The plan is relative in nature. If the global environment holds back our growth, it won't be held back as much if we have a lower-rate, broader-based tax system.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by jiveturkey

So the plan is hopeful in nature?

Cut tax rates and hope more people get back to work.

What is the global economy continues to hold back our growth? Couldn't that lead to increases in the deficit?

Hopeful in nature? WTF does that even mean?

[jiveturkey]

Originally Posted by Saul Too

Hopeful in nature? WTF does that even mean?

It just doesn't sound like a strong plan for deficit reduction.

Similar to Obama hoping that a stimulus package would keep unemployment below 8%.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Surely you conservatives understand that Romney will govern from the middle. He will do whatever is popular. He will raise your taxes as part of a larger deal.

Honest to God - I'm fine with that.

There needs to be some governance from the middle right now. Yeah, we probably need a few tax increases here and there. Yeah, we need a TON of spending cuts as well - some of those have to be in defense spending.

Neither side of the aisle has any business getting everything it wants right now. The country is in shit shape largely because both sides have refused to concede anything but a total surrender.

Ultimately Obama's done as a leader - absolutely done. He has no credibility with the Rs because of his attempts to railroad and completely dismiss them when he first took office. If anything is going to be done to build a consensus and create an actual solution to the problem, its not going to be with Obama in office.

Romney, OTOH, I think can build something with the Ds. I still can't see why he's so hated by the left apart from the R after his name. He's the moderate candidate you fellas have been screaming for since Reagan.

[jiveturkey]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Honest to God - I'm fine with that.

There needs to be some governance from the middle right now. Yeah, we probably need a few tax increases here and there. Yeah, we need a TON of spending cuts as well - some of those have to be in defense spending.

Neither side of the aisle has any business getting everything it wants right now. The country is in shit shape largely because both sides have refused to concede anything but a total surrender.

Ultimately Obama's done as a leader - absolutely done. He has no credibility with the Rs because of his attempts to railroad and completely dismiss them when he first took office. If anything is going to be done to build a consensus and create an actual solution to the problem, its not going to be with Obama in office.

Romney, OTOH, I think can build something with the Ds. I still can't see why he's so hated by the left apart from the R after his name. He's the moderate candidate you fellas have been screaming for since Reagan.

I pretty much agree with everything you just said. He's going to get a lot more done just by being the new guy.

I just hope that he can get the right things done.

You're also another one that mentioned tax increases. I'm going to be real interested in seeing how the House (more specifically Tea Partiers) would react to any kind of tax increases.