3 illegals charged with voter fraud

[Comrade Crapski]

It's only 3, but it's a start...

3 Council Bluffs Noncitizens Charged with Voter Fraud

By Rod Boshart, Reporter

DES MOINES, Iowa – Three people were charged with felony counts of voter fraud in Pottawattamie County Thursday as a result of an Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation probe initiated last month in conjunction with the Iowa Secretary of State’s Office.

Class D first-degree election misconduct charges were brought against Albert Harte-Maxwell, 52; Linda Harte-Maxwell, 49; and Maria Ayon-Fernandez, 40, all of Council Bluffs. All three individuals were booked into the Pottawattamie County Jail on Thursday and released on their own recognizance, according to a DCI statement. The investigation was conducted by the DCI and Pottawattamie County Attorney’s Office.

According to criminal complaints filed in the case, Albert Harte-Maxwell, Linda Harte-Maxwell, and Maria Ayon-Fernandez are all non-U.S. citizens who registered to vote in Pottawattamie County. Albert Harte-Maxwell voted in the 2010 general election and 2011 city election; Linda Harte-Maxwell voted in the 2011 city election; and Maria Ayon-Fernandez voted in the 2010 general election, according to the complaint and affidavit. The Harte-Maxwells are citizens of Canada and Ayon-Fernandez is a citizen of Mexico, court records indicate.

Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz, who also serves as the state’s commissioner of election, praised the work of investigators for uncovering the election crimes allegedly perpetrated by three foreign nationals who are accused of participating in Iowa elections even though they are not U.S. citizens.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/3-Cou...170572526.html

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by banyon

Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.

What law requires anyone to travel a couple of states away to get an original birth certificate? If that exists at all, and I doubt that it does, it's certainly not the typical voter ID law. ID can be obtained in most (probably all) states without any interstate trip. And even if an interstate trip is required, that doesn't strip anyone of their right to vote.

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

Theres that bubble again. Thats your opinion, not fact.

The courts are deciding on the facts. Banyon has listed how it happens. You dont agree, thats fine and dandy. You are entitles to your opinion, I'm entitles to mine.

We use the justice system to decide what the law and the constitution says about this issue and so far its telling us it does disenfranchise voters.

[Dallas Chief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Theres that bubble again. Thats your opinion, not fact.

The courts are deciding on the facts. Banyon has listed how it happens. You dont agree, thats fine and dandy. You are entitles to your opinion, I'm entitles to mine.

We use the justice system to decide what the law and the constitution says about this issue and so far its telling us it does disenfranchise voters.

Hence they render their OPINION. Funny how that works lmao

[LiveSteam]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22...-votes-scheme/


Nine people have been charged with voter fraud in a district in Arkansas, after a scheme was uncovered in which half-pint bottles of vodka were used to buy votes.

Three of those charged have pleaded guilty, including Democratic State Representative Hudson Hallum who has since resigned. Hallum had allegedly told a local city councilman — who is now a co-defendant — that they “need to use that black limo and buy a couple of cases of some cheap vodka and whiskey to get people to vote.”

In addition to these alcohol-fueled voter incentives, this scheme involved absentee ballot fraud and destroying absentee votes for opponents.

“I mean, I guess I always knew, all along, it was wrong,” said Hallum in an interview. “But at first I really didn’t think it was that big a deal, because I’d always heard that’s what everybody did.”

Authorities discovered the fraud after Hallum’s opponent, Kim Felker, reported that she had been illegally offered absentee ballots. Holland now faces up to five years in prison.



I really didn’t think it was that big a deal, because I’d always heard that’s what everybody did.
Yet some of you believe this type of shit doesn't happen.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No one LEGAL is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

FYP

[banyon]

Originally Posted by Dallas Chief

Hence they render their OPINION. Funny how that works lmao

Except that their OPINION has the effect of law. It's funny I guess unless you want to act contrary to it.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

How the hell do these people obtain a mortgage, cash a check, use a credit card...without some kind of ID? And you can send away for your birth cert...you don't have to travel a couple of states away...

Uh, they are old, live in assisted living, own their homes, have known their bankers for 60 years and don't need an ID to cash a check, many places require you to obtain the birth certificate in person.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What law requires anyone to travel a couple of states away to get an original birth certificate? If that exists at all, and I doubt that it does, it's certainly not the typical voter ID law. ID can be obtained in most (probably all) states without any interstate trip. And even if an interstate trip is required, that doesn't strip anyone of their right to vote.

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.

If you don't have certain documents then you can't get the certificate without traveling and witnesses.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by banyon

How do you know she's eligible to vote?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by banyon

Uh, they are old, live in assisted living, own their homes, have known their bankers for 60 years and don't need an ID to cash a check, many places require you to obtain the birth certificate in person.

What state has a requirement that you have a birth certificate from a state that requires you to show up in person to get it (if such a state exists)?

[banyon]

Jim Cramer: Voter ID Law Will Disenfranchise My Dad
CNBC host Jim Cramer

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...a_voter_id.php

RYAN J. REILLY SEPTEMBER 11, 2012, 11:36 AM 109691
Updated: September 11, 2012, 10:22 PM

CNBC host Jim Cramer said Tuesday that his father was among the estimated 750,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania who lack a state-issued form of identification.

“My dad, a vet, won’t be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can’t prove his citizenship,” Cramer wrote on Twitter.

Many elderly voters, including those who have voted in at least the past fifty elections, will have trouble voting under the law.

A Pennsylvania Supreme Court hearing on the constitutionality of the state’s voter ID law begins on Thursday. The law is also the subject of a Justice Department investigation evaluating whether the law is discriminatory under the Voting Rights Act.

Here’s the “Mad Money” host’s tweet:

Jim Cramer
✔
@jimcramer
I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.
11 Sep 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
Late update: Cramer tweeted that Pennsylvania officials contacted him after his post and “came directly to the rescue” of his father. Cramer’s father was one of the hundreds of thousands of registered voters that the state of Pennsylvania admits don’t have an acceptable form of state-issued photo identification.

Late late update: Pennsylvania officials tell TPM why they reacted to Cramer’s tweet so quickl

[LiveSteam]

can’t prove his citizenship. Tough

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by banyon

So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?

How does requiring an ID, that can be mailed at the time of registration if they don't' have licenses, constitute disenfranchisement? You can't even make a credit card purchase for a loaf of bread without an i.d. You are going to argue, that electing the most powerful office holder on the planet Shouldn't require an I.D. ?

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by banyon

Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.

Who has to travel to get a birth certificate? My wife needed a copy of hers. She was born in a county in Illinois that isn't even a county anymore (it merged with a neighboring county), and we were still able to order an official copy over the internet for about $15.

[Comrade Crapski]

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