Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-21-2012, 01:03 AM  
Comrade Crapski Comrade Crapski is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sea of Green 23.4°
Casino cash: $5000
3 illegals charged with voter fraud

It's only 3, but it's a start...

3 Council Bluffs Noncitizens Charged with Voter Fraud

By Rod Boshart, Reporter

DES MOINES, Iowa – Three people were charged with felony counts of voter fraud in Pottawattamie County Thursday as a result of an Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation probe initiated last month in conjunction with the Iowa Secretary of State’s Office.

Class D first-degree election misconduct charges were brought against Albert Harte-Maxwell, 52; Linda Harte-Maxwell, 49; and Maria Ayon-Fernandez, 40, all of Council Bluffs. All three individuals were booked into the Pottawattamie County Jail on Thursday and released on their own recognizance, according to a DCI statement. The investigation was conducted by the DCI and Pottawattamie County Attorney’s Office.

According to criminal complaints filed in the case, Albert Harte-Maxwell, Linda Harte-Maxwell, and Maria Ayon-Fernandez are all non-U.S. citizens who registered to vote in Pottawattamie County. Albert Harte-Maxwell voted in the 2010 general election and 2011 city election; Linda Harte-Maxwell voted in the 2011 city election; and Maria Ayon-Fernandez voted in the 2010 general election, according to the complaint and affidavit. The Harte-Maxwells are citizens of Canada and Ayon-Fernandez is a citizen of Mexico, court records indicate.

Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz, who also serves as the state’s commissioner of election, praised the work of investigators for uncovering the election crimes allegedly perpetrated by three foreign nationals who are accused of participating in Iowa elections even though they are not U.S. citizens.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/3-Cou...170572526.html
Posts: 3,833
Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 10:36 AM   #46
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.
What law requires anyone to travel a couple of states away to get an original birth certificate? If that exists at all, and I doubt that it does, it's certainly not the typical voter ID law. ID can be obtained in most (probably all) states without any interstate trip. And even if an interstate trip is required, that doesn't strip anyone of their right to vote.

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:49 PM   #47
BigRedChief BigRedChief is offline
Brainwashed
 
BigRedChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Swims with fishes
Casino cash: $19114
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.
Theres that bubble again. Thats your opinion, not fact.

The courts are deciding on the facts. Banyon has listed how it happens. You dont agree, thats fine and dandy. You are entitles to your opinion, I'm entitles to mine.

We use the justice system to decide what the law and the constitution says about this issue and so far its telling us it does disenfranchise voters.
__________________
If you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu
Posts: 44,930
BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 12:52 PM   #48
Dallas Chief Dallas Chief is offline
Supporter
 
Dallas Chief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Jupiter, FL.
Casino cash: $9817
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
Theres that bubble again. Thats your opinion, not fact.

The courts are deciding on the facts. Banyon has listed how it happens. You dont agree, thats fine and dandy. You are entitles to your opinion, I'm entitles to mine.

We use the justice system to decide what the law and the constitution says about this issue and so far its telling us it does disenfranchise voters.
Hence they render their OPINION. Funny how that works lmao
Posts: 2,655
Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.Dallas Chief wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 05:36 PM   #49
LiveSteam LiveSteam is offline
All aboard the crazy train
 
LiveSteam's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: homeof43conferencetitles
Casino cash: $11202
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22...-votes-scheme/


Nine people have been charged with voter fraud in a district in Arkansas, after a scheme was uncovered in which half-pint bottles of vodka were used to buy votes.

Three of those charged have pleaded guilty, including Democratic State Representative Hudson Hallum who has since resigned. Hallum had allegedly told a local city councilman — who is now a co-defendant — that they “need to use that black limo and buy a couple of cases of some cheap vodka and whiskey to get people to vote.”

In addition to these alcohol-fueled voter incentives, this scheme involved absentee ballot fraud and destroying absentee votes for opponents.

“I mean, I guess I always knew, all along, it was wrong,” said Hallum in an interview. “But at first I really didn’t think it was that big a deal, because I’d always heard that’s what everybody did.”

Authorities discovered the fraud after Hallum’s opponent, Kim Felker, reported that she had been illegally offered absentee ballots. Holland now faces up to five years in prison.



I really didn’t think it was that big a deal, because I’d always heard that’s what everybody did.
Yet some of you believe this type of shit doesn't happen.
Posts: 17,383
LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 05:57 PM   #50
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
What? What?
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $8834
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
No one LEGAL is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.
FYP
Posts: 61,900
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:04 PM   #51
banyon banyon is offline
Supporter
 
banyon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dodge City, Kansas
Casino cash: $10416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dallas Chief View Post
Hence they render their OPINION. Funny how that works lmao
Except that their OPINION has the effect of law. It's funny I guess unless you want to act contrary to it.
__________________

"For the benefit and enjoyment of the people" -- Inscription, Roosevelt Arch, Northern Gate, Yellowstone, near Gardiner, MT
Posts: 33,213
banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:06 PM   #52
banyon banyon is offline
Supporter
 
banyon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dodge City, Kansas
Casino cash: $10416
Quote:
Originally Posted by InChiefsHell View Post
How the hell do these people obtain a mortgage, cash a check, use a credit card...without some kind of ID? And you can send away for your birth cert...you don't have to travel a couple of states away...
Uh, they are old, live in assisted living, own their homes, have known their bankers for 60 years and don't need an ID to cash a check, many places require you to obtain the birth certificate in person.
__________________

"For the benefit and enjoyment of the people" -- Inscription, Roosevelt Arch, Northern Gate, Yellowstone, near Gardiner, MT
Posts: 33,213
banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:07 PM   #53
banyon banyon is offline
Supporter
 
banyon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dodge City, Kansas
Casino cash: $10416
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
What law requires anyone to travel a couple of states away to get an original birth certificate? If that exists at all, and I doubt that it does, it's certainly not the typical voter ID law. ID can be obtained in most (probably all) states without any interstate trip. And even if an interstate trip is required, that doesn't strip anyone of their right to vote.

No one is disenfranchised by an ID requirement.
If you don't have certain documents then you can't get the certificate without traveling and witnesses.

__________________

"For the benefit and enjoyment of the people" -- Inscription, Roosevelt Arch, Northern Gate, Yellowstone, near Gardiner, MT

Last edited by banyon; 10-22-2012 at 06:13 PM..
Posts: 33,213
banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:12 PM   #54
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
How do you know she's eligible to vote?
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:14 PM   #55
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Uh, they are old, live in assisted living, own their homes, have known their bankers for 60 years and don't need an ID to cash a check, many places require you to obtain the birth certificate in person.
What state has a requirement that you have a birth certificate from a state that requires you to show up in person to get it (if such a state exists)?
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:19 PM   #56
banyon banyon is offline
Supporter
 
banyon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dodge City, Kansas
Casino cash: $10416
Jim Cramer: Voter ID Law Will Disenfranchise My Dad
CNBC host Jim Cramer

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...a_voter_id.php

RYAN J. REILLY SEPTEMBER 11, 2012, 11:36 AM 109691
Updated: September 11, 2012, 10:22 PM

CNBC host Jim Cramer said Tuesday that his father was among the estimated 750,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania who lack a state-issued form of identification.

“My dad, a vet, won’t be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can’t prove his citizenship,” Cramer wrote on Twitter.

Many elderly voters, including those who have voted in at least the past fifty elections, will have trouble voting under the law.

A Pennsylvania Supreme Court hearing on the constitutionality of the state’s voter ID law begins on Thursday. The law is also the subject of a Justice Department investigation evaluating whether the law is discriminatory under the Voting Rights Act.

Here’s the “Mad Money” host’s tweet:

Jim Cramer

@jimcramer
I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.
11 Sep 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
Late update: Cramer tweeted that Pennsylvania officials contacted him after his post and “came directly to the rescue” of his father. Cramer’s father was one of the hundreds of thousands of registered voters that the state of Pennsylvania admits don’t have an acceptable form of state-issued photo identification.

Late late update: Pennsylvania officials tell TPM why they reacted to Cramer’s tweet so quickl
__________________

"For the benefit and enjoyment of the people" -- Inscription, Roosevelt Arch, Northern Gate, Yellowstone, near Gardiner, MT
Posts: 33,213
banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 06:20 PM   #57
LiveSteam LiveSteam is offline
All aboard the crazy train
 
LiveSteam's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: homeof43conferencetitles
Casino cash: $11202
can’t prove his citizenship. Tough
Posts: 17,383
LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 07:42 PM   #58
Calcountry Calcountry is offline
Shoot the tube
 
Calcountry's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Where I am
Casino cash: $5605
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
So these 3 people are the justification for disenfranchising millions through the new voter id laws?
How did requiring id help at all? Looks like they were able to figure it out without ids?
How does requiring an ID, that can be mailed at the time of registration if they don't' have licenses, constitute disenfranchisement? You can't even make a credit card purchase for a loaf of bread without an i.d. You are going to argue, that electing the most powerful office holder on the planet Shouldn't require an I.D. ?
__________________
Amerika, Amerika, I shed my grace on Thee.
Posts: 26,880
Calcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliCalcountry 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 07:48 PM   #59
mnchiefsguy mnchiefsguy is offline
MVP
 
mnchiefsguy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Casino cash: $8346
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Yes they are. There are countless examples of elderly people who don't have to ability to travel a couple of states away and get their original birth certificates, etc. It's not so much the "having the ID" that's the problem. It's the "prove you're a citizen" component of the laws that throws up the hurdles.

In fact, several courts of appeal have affirmatively decided that there is inadequate infrastructure in place to provide the required ID's and are ordering the process halted.
Who has to travel to get a birth certificate? My wife needed a copy of hers. She was born in a county in Illinois that isn't even a county anymore (it merged with a neighboring county), and we were still able to order an official copy over the internet for about $15.
__________________
Posts: 6,892
mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.mnchiefsguy is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 01:07 AM   #60
Comrade Crapski Comrade Crapski is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sea of Green 23.4°
Casino cash: $5000
at Banyon
Posts: 3,833
Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.Comrade Crapski is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:52 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.