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***Offical 2012 STL Cardinals World Champions Thread ***

St. Louis Cardinals: 7 reasons fans should feel good about 2012

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2012, at 9:26 PM

St. Louis Cardinals fans are likely feeling deflated after the collapse that put an end to the team's dreams of a World Series repeat, but there is good reason to be excited.

With all of the odds against them, the Cardinals managed to push their 2012 season beyond any anticipated boundary.

Given all of the season's changes and the adversity the team had to fight through, the fact that they played in October at all was an anomaly in itself. On paper, it made sense for the Cardinals to be in the playoffs, but few saw them as a true threat.
As the season continued, even fans began to doubt as they watched the team seemingly crumble in June and July. When the Cardinals finally came to life in September they went 11-5 in the last 16 games of the season to lock up the second Wild Card position in its inaugural year.

That run, despite it's crushing end in Cincinnati in Game 7 of the National League Championship Series, lots of good came from the Cardinals' season and playoff run.
Following in no particular order are 10 reasons Cardinals fans have to be excited about the 2013 season.

Trevor Rosenthal
When rookie fireballer Trevor Rosenthal made his first trip to St. Louis, it was obvious almost instantly that he was something special.
Between his 100 mph fastball and the general inability for almost anyone to hit off of him, he became a huge part of the Cardinals playoff run.

He pitched in a total of 19 regular season games before the 22-year-old rookie from Lee's Summit, Mo. got his first taste of postseason baseball and he put on quite a show.
In 8.2 IP over seven postseason appearances, Rosenthal held opponents to only two hits and no runs.
It's possible that down the stretch he may have already earned his spot in the rotation for 2013.

Shelby Miller
The long-coveted fastball pitching prospect Shelby Miller also made his first trip to St. Louis in 2012 and put on a good show.
In 13.2 IP over six regular season games, Miller surrendered only two runs on nine hits. His postseason performance was more of the same with two runs on four hits in 3.2 IP.

Despite a dismal first half of the season in Memphis, Miller got himself together and still managed to make one major league start before the end of the season -- a very impressive start at that.
Against the Cincinnati Reds in the final game of the regular season, Miller posted 5.2 hitless innings. He gave up no runs and collected his first major league win.

Expect to see a lot more of Miller in St. Louis early in 2013.

Joe Kelly
When Joe Kelly made his major league debut on June 10, few could have guessed the importance he would play throughout the remainder of the 2012 season.
Kelly started 16 games for the Cardinals this season filling in for Jaime Garcia and Lance Lynn, but it was the postseason when he really came through for his teammates.

When starting pitchers struggled time and again in October, it was Kelly who came to their rescue.
In seven postseason appearances, Kelly threw 7.2 innings and surrendered only two runs on six hits. Kelly came through for the Cardinals from the bullpen.
There's a good chance that could be his home in the future.

Mike Matheny
When the Cardinals hired Mike Matheny to take over for Tony LaRussa, many question bringing in a manager with no experience to such a storied franchise.

He had a few hiccups and growing pains along the way, but for a rookie manager to get his team where Matheny did this year speaks volumes.
His players have a strong respect for Matheny and credit his positive style with being a driving force behind their 2012 success.
True, he didn't get them through the NLCS, but the team made it to an all or nothing Game 7. That's good experience for the players obviously, but also for Matheny. Not only did he learn a lot about managing in the media pressure cooker that is postseason baseball, he also got a taste of what it felt like to win as a manager.

NLCS loss means more drive to win
While the NLCS loss was a good lesson for a young manager, it's an even more important lesson for a young player.
The 2011 championship lit a fire under young players like Lance Lynn and Jon Jay. That fire helped drive them to extremely successful sophomore seasons.

What happened in 2012 will likely do the same for Rosenthal, Miller and Kelly. Their 2013 season may not be like Jay or Lynn's 2012, but now they've gotten a little taste of what it feels like to be a winner.

Both the excitement and the public humbling can be a great experience for any young player.

The run was without several key components
In a season riddled with injuries, none were as crucial as those late in the season.
The loss of Lance Berkman and Rafael Furcal significantly weakened the team's bench. Instead of having Pete Kozma, Allen Craig and Matt Carpenter to pinch hit, the team wound up having to use them in the lineup.

The loss of Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook also rocked the Cardinals. Instead of having Lynn and Westbrook also available from the bullpen, Lynn was pushed back into the rotation after a very successful NLDS bullpen stint.

Having gotten as deep into the playoffs as the Cardinals did in spite of the injuries is quite the accomplishment.

They did it without Pujols, LaRussa and Duncan
Few in the world of sports gave the Cardinals a fighting chance when Albert Pujols left the team to play on the west coast. Surely this team couldn't be as good as they were?

Few gave them a chance after longtime manager Tony LaRussa decided it was time to retire.
Few gave them a chance after pitching coach Dave Duncan left the team.
The Cardinals did it despite all of that. That's something any fan should be proud of.

No, they didn't hoist a trophy. There will be no parade or tickertape.
What there is, though, is hope for next year and that will come sooner than you may think.
After all, pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training in just four short months.

From a blog I was sent on twitter: http://www.dailystatesman.com/blogs/...es/entry/50051

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Old 10-22-2012, 01:53 PM   #2131
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i agree, but i'm a little worried about the cards this time around. never been a giants fan, but they look pretty darn salty.
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yep, they bat like have for 3 games in a row. they deserve to go home.

I think the Giants will get smoked by the Tigers. Tehy only have 2 pitchers and major holes in their 1-9 lineup.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:01 PM   #2132
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You see the list above correct? Yet, its a failure if they don't reach the World series every year.

You will be disapointed almost every year. Last 12 years you have 10 different champions. Your Cardinals are one of the repeat Champions yet that's still not good enough?
I ask again - if they blow this game, how can you not walk away from blowing 3-1 series lead and 2 decent pitching matchups, without feeling wildly disappointed?

That's the thing about these sorts of deals - they don't happen in a vacuum. If you don't make the playoffs, you should be disappointed. If you lose in the NLDS, you almost always had a chance to win it and how can you honestly walk away from your average NLCS loss not thinking that you should have/could have won?

If we lose this game, I will view this season as nothing more than the season where we blew a 3-1 series lead that we never should have lost because the team came out like dogs for 2 straight elimination games and set themselves up against one of the 3 best pitchers in the NL for a win or go home game on the road. Your 'list' becomes irrelevant once the ball is on your racket with an easy chance to win...then you mail it in against Barry !@#$ing Zito and his 84 mph gas.

And what's so damn bad about being disappointed? Without disappointment, there's no ambition.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:28 PM   #2133
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I ask again - if they blow this game, how can you not walk away from blowing 3-1 series lead and 2 decent pitching matchups, without feeling wildly disappointed?
Of course I'll be disappointed. However, that's doesn't mean I will consider the whole season a disappointment.

Count me out as having the mindset of every season its a World Series or else its a disappointing season mentality.
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If SF wins tonight they will have won 6 straight elimination games in the post season. Thats a tall order.
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Of course I'll be disappointed. However, that's doesn't mean I will consider the whole season a disappointment.

Count me out as having the mindset of every season its a World Series or else its a disappointing season mentality.
The Cardinals win as often as they do because they see an 85 win season or a first round playoff exit as a disappointing year.

They got to this level by being disappointed in less. Teams that are in the playoffs each year re-set their expectations.

Ultimately, when this stage of their competition cycle is over (and it will happen sooner or later), you re-set your calculus again and change how you view certain goals. That said, for a veteran team with a top 10 payroll, the playoffs should be expected. And once you get to the playoffs, virtually any elimination is going to make a season a disappointing one.

Right now, with this squad where it is, I don't see how losing tonight doesn't make this a failed season. Not after watching Matheny's slow hook in both Lynn starts. Not after watching them roll over and die in two elimination games.

It's not just "Hey! The Cardinals made the NLCS and lost in seven!" It's the totality of how that occurred. Given the talent on this squad and the breaks that helped us get here (i.e. things like no Strasburg and the 2nd wildcard), there can be very few positives taken from the season at large if they finish this collapse.
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MLB tonight was talking about Cain having a "dead arm". That he is showing signs of this condition. Said he just has to pitch through it. Don't really understand this condition except its not good to be pitching a game 7 and you could fall off the cliff.
There won't be a cliff. If Cain starts choking Bochy will pull him immediately and pitch by committee. He will have a very short leash.
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There won't be a cliff. If Cain starts choking Bochy will pull him immediately and pitch by committee. He will have a very short leash.
Eh, that's what I'd say if I were Bochy as well.

Cain was throwing darts his last time out. He made one bad pitch to MCarp or he could've gone 8 without giving up a run.

I'll believe Cain's not right when I see it. I think he's the best power pitcher in the NL and power pitching is the coin of the realm in October.
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Eh, that's what I'd say if I were Bochy as well.

Cain was throwing darts his last time out. He made one bad pitch to MCarp or he could've gone 8 without giving up a run.

I'll believe Cain's not right when I see it. I think he's the best power pitcher in the NL and power pitching is the coin of the realm in October.
That's the thing he is a power guy but his last outing he wasn't overpowering guys, he just had good stuff
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I'm not sure you are one.....but the ****ing bandwagon fans up by me are horrible to be around. Almost as bad the as the A's fans around here.
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Are A's fans comparable to Faid fans at all? I know nothing about them.....
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Eh, that's what I'd say if I were Bochy as well.

Cain was throwing darts his last time out. He made one bad pitch to MCarp or he could've gone 8 without giving up a run.

I'll believe Cain's not right when I see it. I think he's the best power pitcher in the NL and power pitching is the coin of the realm in October.
Baseball tonight was showing that he was off. He would miss the target of his catcher time and time again. The hitters were swinging at balls and trying to his his pitch.

On the surface, you think Cain is in trouble WTF? Did you watch his last game? He was lights out.

Not totally buying it myself. Just trying to find some hope.
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