Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Ed & Dave Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-23-2012, 12:23 AM  
Direckshun Direckshun is online now
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $7857
"We can't kill ourselves out of this mess."

Was it just me, or did Mitt Romney say something brilliant and prescient?

****ing applause for the man. Easily his wisest line of the entire election season.

Not even kidding.

Mitt Romney, talking about the war on terror, just rejected every ounce of neoconservativism, drone-reliant warfare of civilian casualties to kill battle-aged men in countries full of brown people.

This is something foreign policy doves have been saying since the turn of the millenia. To defeat terrorism, it is not enough to simply murder a requisite number of bad guys.

You've got to exercise a foreign policy that doesn't unnecessarily incite hatred in foreign countries, and turn down the heat on all the rhetoric and much of the unnecessary, counterproductive behavior that feeds recruitment for these foreign countries.

I think this was the best line of the debate. Bar none. And it's something that's been long overdue out of the mouth of a national-level Republican.

I think Obama won the debate and all that jazz, but credit where it's due. Romney found a winner of a line and an idea. I hope it finds a way to spread.
Posts: 44,312
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 07:23 AM   #16
Amnorix Amnorix is offline
In BB I trust
 
Amnorix's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Boston, Mass.
Casino cash: $6555
Quote:
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea View Post
Mitt could be posturing. I think the Establishment, who owns both puppets, wanted both appear less like warmongers. They know where the people stand. Remember Wilson and FDR voiced not wanting to get into two of Europe's wars and never meant it.
I agree that "FDR didn't really mean it" in the sense that he would rather have gone to war if he could, but he had to wait until public opinion supported our joining the war.

Wilson, however, stayed out of the war for three full years, and only got involved when American interests were being directly attacked (the U-Boat campaign on neutral shipping) and it was revealed that Germany was plotting something sinister (and rather absurd) with Mexico. By that point, American popular opinion was very strongly in favor of going to war. Wilson was an idealist, not a warmonger, and wasn't really all that excited about going to war. Wilson meant every word of trying to stay out of the war.

This has been a public service announcement of the Correct BEP's Historical Exaggerations and Outright Misstatements Network.
__________________
"I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
Posts: 33,215
Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Amnorix has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 08:08 AM   #17
J Diddy J Diddy is online now
One Groovy Cat
 
J Diddy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Pitt State baby
Casino cash: $6776
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amnorix View Post
I agree that "FDR didn't really mean it" in the sense that he would rather have gone to war if he could, but he had to wait until public opinion supported our joining the war.

Wilson, however, stayed out of the war for three full years, and only got involved when American interests were being directly attacked (the U-Boat campaign on neutral shipping) and it was revealed that Germany was plotting something sinister (and rather absurd) with Mexico. By that point, American popular opinion was very strongly in favor of going to war. Wilson was an idealist, not a warmonger, and wasn't really all that excited about going to war. Wilson meant every word of trying to stay out of the war.

This has been a public service announcement of the Correct BEP's Historical Exaggerations and Outright Misstatements Network.
Posts: 29,531
J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 09:10 AM   #18
RINGLEADER RINGLEADER is offline
RING****ER
 
RINGLEADER's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Confusion, USA
Casino cash: $6625
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Was it just me, or did Mitt Romney say something brilliant and prescient?

****ing applause for the man. Easily his wisest line of the entire election season.

Not even kidding.

Mitt Romney, talking about the war on terror, just rejected every ounce of neoconservativism, drone-reliant warfare of civilian casualties to kill battle-aged men in countries full of brown people.

This is something foreign policy doves have been saying since the turn of the millenia. To defeat terrorism, it is not enough to simply murder a requisite number of bad guys.

You've got to exercise a foreign policy that doesn't unnecessarily incite hatred in foreign countries, and turn down the heat on all the rhetoric and much of the unnecessary, counterproductive behavior that feeds recruitment for these foreign countries.

I think this was the best line of the debate. Bar none. And it's something that's been long overdue out of the mouth of a national-level Republican.

I think Obama won the debate and all that jazz, but credit where it's due. Romney found a winner of a line and an idea. I hope it finds a way to spread.
Romney was shrewd in how he hit certain notes to win votes. Appear competent, pass the Commander in Chief threshold, appear safe to women (using lines like the one you point out), win VA by claiming we need more boats, etc.

Who knows who wins, but the CP poster who claimed Obama was trying to win a debate and Romney the election was right on.
Posts: 23,218
RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.RINGLEADER Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 09:30 AM   #19
Direckshun Direckshun is online now
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $7857
Quote:
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER View Post
Romney was shrewd in how he hit certain notes to win votes. Appear competent, pass the Commander in Chief threshold, appear safe to women (using lines like the one you point out), win VA by claiming we need more boats, etc.

Who knows who wins, but the CP poster who claimed Obama was trying to win a debate and Romney the election was right on.
When I was watching the debate in real time, I thought both men deserved a very vanilla B, and each had their own victories. I felt Obama outpaced Romney on substance, which is a victory but expected for a POTUS. Romney kept up for the most part, which is a victory for a governor.

So that was my initial reaction watching the debate. I feel like most shared it, but like you said: who knows. Third debates barely register anyway.

After reading the transcript, though, I feel Obama solidly hammered Romney due to the fact that so much of Romney's FP ended up looking like Obama's.

But when I saw the debate, and when I read the transcript, I absolutely loved that line: we cannot kill ourselves out of this mess.

Absolutely, undeniably true.
__________________
Posts: 44,312
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 10:29 AM   #20
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
No known superpowers
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: In A World Few See
Casino cash: $14060
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER View Post
Romney was shrewd in how he hit certain notes to win votes. Appear competent, pass the Commander in Chief threshold, appear safe to women (using lines like the one you point out), win VA by claiming we need more boats, etc.

Who knows who wins, but the CP poster who claimed Obama was trying to win a debate and Romney the election was right on.
I never thought about that Virginia thing. That's a clever observation.
__________________
Welcome to NFL Sunday! At 11:00 see Peyton Manning flip off the top rope and clothesline Clay Matthews! At 2:00 Drew Brees will hit Terrell Suggs with a chair! Buy your Andrew Luck jersey and let's get reeeeeady to rummmmmble!
Posts: 76,788
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 10:53 AM   #21
Direckshun Direckshun is online now
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $7857
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
I never thought about that Virginia thing. That's a clever observation.
No kidding. That one got by me...
__________________
Posts: 44,312
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 01:24 PM   #22
philfree philfree is offline
Indian Twitter
 
philfree's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Free Agency
Casino cash: $5700
"Wait till after the election and then get a backbone"

Romney should have asked Obama if there was anything he'd like to tell the American people about his policy regarding Russia.
__________________
[/SIGPIC]
Posts: 9,901
philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 05:21 PM   #23
Direckshun Direckshun is online now
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $7857
Quote:
Originally Posted by philfree View Post
"Wait till after the election and then get a backbone"

Romney should have asked Obama if there was anything he'd like to tell the American people about his policy regarding Russia.
Like, we finally achieved the arms deal that every President before me going back to Ronald Reagan failed to score?
__________________
Posts: 44,312
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 05:24 PM   #24
LiveSteam LiveSteam is offline
All aboard the crazy train
 
LiveSteam's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: homeof43conferencetitles
Casino cash: $6547
[quote=Amnorix;9041939

This has been a public service announcement of the Correct BEP's Historical Exaggerations and Outright Misstatements Network.[/QUOTE]

Posts: 16,916
LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.LiveSteam is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 05:25 PM   #25
Ace Gunner Ace Gunner is offline
First Overall
 
Ace Gunner's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: kcmo
Casino cash: $5097
so the "two party" role reversal is complete.
__________________
The Greatest
Posts: 10,388
Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.Ace Gunner is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 07:09 PM   #26
Pawnmower Pawnmower is offline
MVP
 
Pawnmower's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Northern California
Casino cash: $13062
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
To defeat terrorism, it is not enough to simply murder a requisite number of bad guys.

You've got to exercise a foreign policy that doesn't unnecessarily incite hatred in foreign countries, and turn down the heat on all the rhetoric and much of the unnecessary, counterproductive behavior that feeds recruitment for these foreign countries.
Yes because appeasement and spreading good will will make Hamas renounce its charter, and make Jihadis not want a global Caliphate.

LOL
__________________
-------------------
(Your company name here)
Posts: 14,906
Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 07:19 PM   #27
Direckshun Direckshun is online now
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $7857
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pawnmower View Post
Yes because appeasement and spreading good will will make Hamas renounce its charter, and make Jihadis not want a global Caliphate.
So, clearly killing is the only answer we have?
__________________
Posts: 44,312
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 07:20 PM   #28
philfree philfree is offline
Indian Twitter
 
philfree's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Free Agency
Casino cash: $5700
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Like, we finally achieved the arms deal that every President before me going back to Ronald Reagan failed to score?
He's going to weaken our country and he's hiding what he entends to do from the American people. I'm not o.k. with that are you?
__________________
[/SIGPIC]
Posts: 9,901
philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.philfree Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 07:21 PM   #29
Direckshun Direckshun is online now
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $7857
Quote:
Originally Posted by philfree View Post
He's going to weaken our country and he's hiding what he entends to do from the American people. I'm not o.k. with that are you?
I was warned of that in 2008 and we're doing alright.
__________________
Posts: 44,312
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 07:24 PM   #30
Pawnmower Pawnmower is offline
MVP
 
Pawnmower's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Northern California
Casino cash: $13062
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
So, clearly killing is the only answer we have?
Well, if one side has the intention of 'obliteration' of the other, and declares war on the other side...Is it war?

Or do both sides need to declare war?


The problem here is that for one side, PEACE is Israel giving up , and for Israelis to allow Hamas to take over their government essentially...

(Or however you want to imagine Israel ceasing to exist....)

SO really I wish I had an answer to your question....

What DO we do with Jihadis who are bent on murder and violence until Israel ceases to exist?
__________________
-------------------
(Your company name here)
Posts: 14,906
Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Pawnmower has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:53 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.