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Old 09-18-2012, 09:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #2:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 10-23-2012, 01:39 PM   #2176
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You're in no position to talk about how other people evaluate QBs when you say you value leadership above everything else and then in the same breath mention Jay ****ing Cutler.
Let me say this one more time.... Jay Cutler is like Tyler Wilson because the media gives him a bad rap.
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Let me say this one more time.... Jay Cutler is like Tyler Wilson because the media gives him a bad rap.
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I'm not saying that if we draft a first round QB he will be a bust. However, there is a 70%of it happening in any year. Not just this year. Odds are he is going to bust. I do think this is a bad QB class but I still want to take one in the first as of now. At this point we have to roll the dice.

I don't really know if I agree with Petro on this but, his ideas are not all that out there. I think alot of Chiefs fans are setting themselves up for heartache. It's kind of like half of the board fell in love on their first date with Geno. It's pretty weird really. I think the "suck for Luck" thing is really only valid about once every 30 years. He was a rare prospect.
70% seems pretty high. I guess depends on what "bust" means. To me, respectability as a team's primary QB makes the guy a "not bust". And let's be honest-- the Chiefs with one of the "not bust" QBs I list below would be FAR better.

Since 2002, QBs taken in the 1st round:
2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden
2011: Newton, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker
2010: Bradford, Tebow
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008: Ryan, Flacco
2007: Russell, Quinn
2006: Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005: Smith, Rodgers, Campbell
2004: Manning, Rivers, Losman, Roethlisberger
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2002: Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

Not busts (18):
Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Newton, Ponder, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Palmer

Busts (16): Weeden, Gabbert, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Young, Leinart, Campbell, Losman, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

You can quibble about certain guys here and there. I took a guess on the guys in 2012 and 2011 since they're still so fresh. Some not busts will actually be busts (like Sanchez perhaps) and some busts may one day become not busts (like those first four names). The point is, it's about a 50% hit rate for getting a good QB.

To get a TRUE franchise QB, the rate is probably closer to your 70% probability of failure. If you remove all the 2011 and 2012 QBs from both lists and then tally it up I get this:

Franchise QBs (9): Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger

Busts/game managers (15): The rest

9/24 hit rate, or a 64% chance of not drafting a true franchise QB likely capable of winning a Super Bowl

I'm not going to do the DT analysis, but I'll bet it's no better than the QB odds.

Realistically, SOMETHING has to be drafted. I'll take the QB odds any day.
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Why?

In a league that's DOMINATED by guys that can extend plays, you want to take a flyer on a guy that's practically glued to the pocket. And one with significant character issues to boot.

The best two QBs of the past decade were guys that were glued to the pocket. Again, Mallett used to have character issues. That is well documented and is the reason he fell in the draft. However, he is now walking the line and staying straight under the strictest coach.

I didn't say we should trade for him today. I said he was worth a look.
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Let me say this one more time.... Jay Cutler is like Tyler Wilson because the media gives him a bad rap.
The media is irrelevant to how good a QB is or if you want him on your team.

The media gives Ben Roethlisberger a bad rap all the time, and he has two Super Bowls.
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Let me say this one more time.... Jay Cutler is like Tyler Wilson because the media gives him a bad rap.
No. Jay Cutler is a huge asshole and deserves a bad rap. Jay Cutler is just a terrible POS human being.
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-Dexter McCluster is quicker than Jamaal Charles

-Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson

-Geno Smith has character issues because he wore his hat backwards in a press conference

-Ryan Mallett has a good chance of being a better QB than any of the top 3 QBs in the 2013 draft.


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-Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson

-Geno Smith has character issues because he wore his hat backwards in a press conference

-Ryan Mallett has a good chance of being a better QB than any of the top 3 QBs in the 2013 draft.


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70% seems pretty high. I guess depends on what "bust" means. To me, respectability as a team's primary QB makes the guy a "not bust". And let's be honest-- the Chiefs with one of the "not bust" QBs I list below would be FAR better.

Since 2002, QBs taken in the 1st round:
2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden
2011: Newton, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker
2010: Bradford, Tebow
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008: Ryan, Flacco
2007: Russell, Quinn
2006: Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005: Smith, Rodgers, Campbell
2004: Manning, Rivers, Losman, Roethlisberger
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2002: Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

Not busts (18):
Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Newton, Ponder, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Palmer

Busts (16): Weeden, Gabbert, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Young, Leinart, Campbell, Losman, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

You can quibble about certain guys here and there. I took a guess on the guys in 2012 and 2011 since they're still so fresh. Some not busts will actually be busts (like Sanchez perhaps) and some busts may one day become not busts (like those first four names). The point is, it's about a 50% hit rate for getting a good QB.

To get a TRUE franchise QB, the rate is probably closer to your 70% probability of failure. If you remove all the 2011 and 2012 QBs from both lists and then tally it up I get this:

Franchise QBs (9): Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger

Busts/game managers (15): The rest

9/24 hit rate, or a 64% chance of not drafting a true franchise QB likely capable of winning a Super Bowl

I'm not going to do the DT analysis, but I'll bet it's no better than the QB odds.

Realistically, SOMETHING has to be drafted. I'll take the QB odds any day.
I figured it like this.

A decent QB needs to make at least one pro bowl. If guys like Cassel and Grbac can do it, so should anyone considered "decent." Making the pro bowl doesn't make you a franchise QB. However, it does mean that at least once you were in the top 10 of the league.

So that means over the past decade, 30% (9 out of 30) first round QBs were decent or better. That includes Andy Dalton and Cam Newton.
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Smith to KC, STILL, per WF Mock.

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The media is irrelevant to how good a QB is or if you want him on your team.

The media gives Ben Roethlisberger a bad rap all the time, and he has two Super Bowls.
Do you see the difference though? Rothlesberger is knocked for what he did off the field. Cutler is knocked for what he appears to do on the field. The truth is that I don't even like the guy. He is one of my most hated players. However, he does get a bad rap and he is tough as nails imo. Did you see him last night? He took the shot of the year and finished the game.

Look at Chicago. Look at the QBs they went through and the years they spend trying to find one. They were just like us and now they have a franchise QB. A guy people want to play for. You look at what that guy has done over the past few years and it's pretty damn impressive. We need a guy who will yell at a linemen now and again. It's part of his job imo.

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“It doesn’t make any sense to me,” Urlacher said Thursday during an interview with NFL Total Access on the NFL Network. “It was bad timing with the injury, and everyone says he was pouting on the sideline. When I broke my wrist two years ago, I was on the sideline pouting too. No one said anything about that. It was a regular season game, but you’re not happy to be out of the game anytime you get hurt. You’re pissed off and don’t want to be on the sideline, but you can’t change it. That’s the way it is. But it was undeserved all of the bad media he got. Jay’s a tough guy. He takes a lot of hits, gets up, [and] goes back every play and never complains about it.”

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DT and QB are the weakest positions in the 2013 draft class for sure. This will be common knowledge soon.
DT is the weakest position in this draft? There are like TEN potential first round defensive tackles, of which about five are juniors. I think you are a bronco-fan-mult trolling this community.
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-Ryan Mallett has a good chance of being a better QB than any of the top 3 QBs in the 2013 draft.


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Good job except for the second one. I said Geno Smith needs to grow up and carry himself better. He needs to not wear his hat sideways or backwards like Rothlesberger, Romo, Young, or Vick. He needs to be better than them in interviews etc. He needs to man up.

Honestly, he hasn't worn his hat backwards all year so he probably has some good handlers. He has imporved in this area. Now he just needs to do it on the field. He needs to rally his team and carry them when things go bad. You know how Flacco ran for a first down on third and long against KC to pretty much finish the game? That's the kind of guy we need. Geno isn't there yet.
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You know how Flacco ran for a first down on third and long against KC to pretty much finish the game? That's the kind of guy we need. Geno isn't there yet.
Like Flacco used to do at Delaware? Are we suggesting that Smith isn't a finished product yet?
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